Abrupt on off throttle. How to make it smooth.

motodoc42

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I'm here for some advice. I'm having difficulty in making transition from on/off throttle smoothly. The abruptness at the on/off transition is annoying and interferes with an otherwise good ride. I'm having to use the friction zone of the clutch to help smoothe it out. When running through the gears in the curves with lots of elevation change the entire process is a pain. The clutch itself is a bit touchy which just adds to the problem. If not experienced this on other bikes including carbureted and injected.( VFR's ST1100, Gold Wings, Moto Guzzi Sports1100's and Vstroms). I'm hoping someone can enlighten me how to smooth things out.
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I'm thinking you are in "S" mode, switch to "T" mode. You can still twist the throttle more in T mode and get good acceleration. S mode took some getting used to for me but, I like it now for spirited riding. Also, if you think the Tenere is "abrupt", try riding an old big bore two-stroke dirt bike.
 

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Had this issue on a KTM, but hadn't noticed it on my 2014 ZE.

You mention a clutch issue, which makes me think you may have a Gen 1 bike - if so there are plenty of posts on here regarding clutch issues & maybe a reflash for your ECU to improve bottom end fueling.

On the KTM, I managed to get a slower cam for the twistgrip (KTM Powerparts), which improved the situation no end - I don't know whether these are available for the S10. Possibly not with factory heated grips, as fitted to current ZEs. Maybe someone can chip in with a supplier/solution.
 

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A lot depends on your year bike and what you may have done already. I have a 2012 with a lot of mods that may or may not contribute to my bikes overall smoothness. I have the ecuunleashed 2nd. gen flash, the Akrapovic muffler, 2014 clutch basket, Barnett pressure plate and springs, and a G2 throttle tamer. I ride 100% on the street. The Sport mode has always been abrupt on/off the throttle, even after the flash, clutch basket and exhaust mods.

Then I did the Barnett pressure plate and the G2 throttle tamer. These mods helped the most on my particular 2012 model for what you are talking about. They also are the least expensive mods out of the bunch. These 2 mods alone made the s mode useable, I have much more control at very slow speeds, fully loaded etc...I forget to switch to T mode now in situations where I always would have before.

When I did the new 2014 clutch basket, I saw the diaphram style clutch spring in there, which is the type in my Harley..... and which I do NOT like for several reasons, but I'm still living with an "improved" version in that bike. So later on I went to this forum and found out about the Barnett and decided to go in there again and swap out the stock set up. Although my experience is limited, a multi spring pressure plate is the only type of set up I've ever seen and worked on inside any of the Japanese bikes I've owned.... untill the S10. I'm not sure why Yamaha went with the diaphram type single spring, (and I'm far from and expert mechanic), but I know it's inadequate on my Harley, and now know the Barnett works better on my S10.

I ordered the Barnett pressure plate and spring kit from Rideon ADV, a good vender on this forum. The Barnett set up smoothes out the engagement quite a bit, giving you really fine linear control and feel for what the clutch is doing. You would probably like the improvement if you feel the stock clutch is touchy. The Akrapovic and especially the ECU flash are great mods in my opinion, and they may also contribute to the overall smoothness of my bike. For your specific complaints though, plus not knowing what year you have, or if you need or even want a re-flash, the G2 and Barnett could probably help the most, in my experience. They made me happier with MY bike. There are new and different ECU flashes out there now too, so one of them alone may also help resolve this paticular issue better than the ECuunleashed did, but I don't know anything about them.

Power output aside, when I put this bike in the T mode, I feel it may NOW be one of the easiest bikes I've ever owned to control and ride smoothly in any tight or slow situation. Even smoother than all the Hondas I've owned or ridden, which to me, is saying a lot.
(I've considered Hondas to be the kings of smooth easy riding bikes over the years, just an observation). My "T" mode is more like "Z" mode now, so easy to ride I feel like I could get some ZZZ's. :D
 

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A note on the G2 Throttle tamer: I have it installed with after market heated grips on my 2012. Not sure if it works with newer bikes with Yamaha heated grips. It was a specific part for my 2012 though, so check the G2 website to see if they list on for your bike if it's different than mine. 8)
 

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Start with the simple and cheap things before throwing money at it. It's common for the thottle cable(s) to have a lot of slop. I found that reducing the amount of free play made throttle transitions much easier and smoother. Be careful to check it running before riding off, it's typically different amount of slack with off, Vs running. Make sure you do have -some- free play, necessary to ensure the throttle can return to fully closed, (or to the limit switch for closed, since it's throttle by wire).

It's an easy task with the barrel nuts on the cable. If that doesn't make you happy, move on to the next simple issue, making sure your throttle bodies are synced. Might even do that first. ;) Truth be told, I suspect you will adapt to it in time, regardless of what you do or do not do. Good luck.
 

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+1 on the G2 throttle tube. Whats all here is good advice but actually having the G2 on my scooter makes it so I can vouch for the product. It does help with the issue. Getting the Oxford heated grip on a G2, now that's another story, but it can be done.
 

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I'm with Eric on checking the cheap stuff first. I adjusted the throttle cable on my way home from the dealer when I bought my bike. It clearly wasn't adjusted well when they set up the bike.
 

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Throttle cable + Staintune improved mine, but the biggest gain came when I found a header leak at the port. Fixed that and its OK now, not great, but I can live with it. Stock as delivered was a PITA.
 

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EricV said:
Start with the simple and cheap things before throwing money at it. It's common for the thottle cable(s) to have a lot of slop. I found that reducing the amount of free play made throttle transitions much easier and smoother. Be careful to check it running before riding off, it's typically different amount of slack with off, Vs running. Make sure you do have -some- free play, necessary to ensure the throttle can return to fully closed, (or to the limit switch for closed, since it's throttle by wire).

It's an easy task with the barrel nuts on the cable. If that doesn't make you happy, move on to the next simple issue, making sure your throttle bodies are synced. Might even do that first. ;) Truth be told, I suspect you will adapt to it in time, regardless of what you do or do not do. Good luck.

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Start with adjusting the throttle cables


There can be a fine line between the feel of on/off due to the cables and due to too-lean fuel delivery. As delivered the bikes run lean to make EPA requirements. Resetting the CO adjustment is an easy way to make them run the way the engine wants and the procedure is here:


http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=1974.0
 

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shredmeister said:
I'm thinking you are in "S" mode, switch to "T" mode. You can still twist the throttle more in T mode and get good acceleration. S mode took some getting used to for me but, I like it now for spirited riding. Also, if you think the Tenere is "abrupt", try riding an old big bore two-stroke dirt bike.
What he said.

I came from a ST1100 and found sport mode touchy and touring mode slow. I used to change back and forth especially when my wife was on back. It's been 5000mi now and I dont remember the last time I put it in touring mode. You'll get used to it pretty quickly.
 
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