4700 miles in 10 days, the good and the bad

bmac

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I started the trip with just under 11,000 miles on the clock. My trip was going to take me from Wisconsin to San Francisco and back. I could take as long as needed on both ends of the trip although I ended up getting back quicker than I initially planned.

Let's start with a little background on the bike.
2012 Super Tenere with the following mods:
ECU unleashed
Staintune slip-on
Michelin Anakee 3 rear tire and stock Bridgestone front
Corbin seat with beaded seat pad to get some air to the butt and prevent IBS (itchy butt syndrome)
Yamaha heated grips
Madstad bracket with Powerbronze windscreen
Zumo 550 GPS

I wore my Klim Badlands suit, Sidi Adventure boots, Klim Induction and Short Element gloves, and Arai XD4 helmet.

As has been stated by numerous folks already the stock fueling map and restrictions are not good. The set up with ECU unleashed is the way the bike should have been set up from the factory. There is absolutely no justification for any power restriction in any gear. The engine, very simply, does not produce enough power to get you in trouble unless you are an idiot and in that case you should not be riding a motorcycle.

In the two years I have owned the bike I have been generally very happy with it. The Super Tenere replaced a 2006 FJR1300. The S10 is more comfortable and handles better. The riding position on the S10 is just about perfect for me. I am 6'2" and it has plenty of legroom and the reach to the bars is just right. The wind protection is, in my opinion, just about perfect. It blocks just the right amount of wind while allowing enough air flow when it gets warm.

Last year I made a trip out east and rode straight through on the way back without difficulty. The one day ride of an indicated 930 miles in temperatures around 90 degrees was my longest day in almost 40 years of riding. I don't think I could have made that long of a day on any other bike I have owned.

So when it came time to head out West I was excited and very optimistic about how the bike would perform.

Day 1; 800 miles to North Platte Nebraska. It was a good day with no excitement. It was a day to put some miles on so day 2 would be spent in the mountains.
Day 2: 650 miles to Duchesne Utah. I took HWY 14 through northern Colorado and HWY 40 into Utah. It was a good day with perfect weather, great roads and scenery.
Day 3: 650 miles via 40 and Interstate 80 through Salt Lake City with a stay in Reno. Roads to Salt Lake were good but once I got on 80 it became pretty boring. Speeds were quite high as the posted limit was 80 MPH. I spent a lot of time at an indicated 90 mph or about 84 MPH GPS corrected. At these speeds the vibration through the bars is quite noticeable and over time quite bothersome. With the scenery being pretty bland and no distractions it is hard not to notice the constant buzzing in the handlebars.
Day 4: 300 miles around Lake Tahoe. Beautiful roads and scenery through half the day. Boring HWY 80 after that. Lake Tahoe is spectacular and HWY 50 to Sacramento is pretty darn good. Arrived in San Francisco in early afternoon.
Day 5 and 6: Rest and visit with family.
Day 7: 550 miles to Ely, NV. Back on HWY 50 through South Lake Tahoe and continue on all the way to Ely. Once in Nevada lack of scenery again draws attention to the level of vibration. This bike does not like to rev above 4000 rpms without complaining. When you are riding 10 to 12 hours a day it is impossible not to notice.
Day 8: 600 miles to Dillon CO. Continue on 50 to Interstate 70 and Dillon. Not too much to see until I got in the mountains. Mostly open terrain with very little variation. Rather warm with temps up to 93 degrees.
Day 9: 735 miles to Des Moine, IA. Interstate all the way. 70 is pretty good while in the mountains but once out not too much to see. Once I got into central Nebraska and Iowa noticed a lot more green in the form of grass and trees. All that rain was being put to good use. It was good to see some color from the browns and tans in Nevada and Utah.
Day 10 450 miles to home. Average day with a good mix of roads and scenery.

Total trip was a little over 4700 miles in temperatures from 44 to 93 degrees.

Overall, it was a good trip with a couple of big buts... The level of vibration at the upper half of the RPM range is excessive and annoying. Additionally, even though Yamaha builds some great engines, this is not one of them. For 1200 cc's it does not produce a lot of power and it does not produce a sound that stirs the soul. It sounds more like a tractor even though the Staintune has helped a bit. When the temps start to rise you do notice heat coming from the left side of the engine. It is noticeable and not welcome as the temps rise above 90 but compared to a lot of other bikes it is not that bad.

In my opinion the only real weak link on the bike is the engine. I have a 1000cc V-twin in my Aprilia Tuono that is way more exciting in feel and sound and could spank the S10 all day long with no penalty for running the revs up a bit. I am hoping Yamaha puts a triple, like the one in the FZ-09, in an Adventure bike. If they do I will buy one. Before the trip, I was considering a 2014 Super Tenere ES but for now I will be holding off.
 

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It is interesting that you've had the bike for 11,000 miles and the vibration has not bothered you before. Do you attribute this to simply not operating in the upper RPM range in your day to day riding of the bike? Or, do you think that the vibration is something that's getting worse as the motor gets more usage?

I'm on my second Super Tenere, and my first vibrated a lot, but the second one really has noticeably less vibration, including above 4000 RPM.
 

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bmac, I'm on a trip like yours but with slightly lower average daily miles. I feel, and always have for that matter, EXACTLY what you say about the engine on this bike. A relatively gutless lug that makes too much noise and vibration. I will take my 1000 V-Strom engine over this one any day, nevermind a proper V-twin with real power. LOL

Just a side note for you. The vibration you feel around 85mph and up is the clutch. The same clutch basket problem that has a little vibration phase around 3000-3500 gets much worse at higher speeds, especially against the wind. The next time you feel it at speed, put a little tension on your clutch lever and you will feel it disappear. Hopefully, the 2014 basket solves this, but unless I get mine for $35.00, I won't know for sure. :D
 

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SPX said:
It is interesting that you've had the bike for 11,000 miles and the vibration has not bothered you before. Do you attribute this to simply not operating in the upper RPM range in your day to day riding of the bike? Or, do you think that the vibration is something that's getting worse as the motor gets more usage?

I'm on my second Super Tenere, and my first vibrated a lot, but the second one really has noticeably less vibration, including above 4000 RPM.
Generally, I don't operate the S10 at higher speeds for very long. At 70 mph and below the engine produces very little vibration and what little there is is inconsequential. It is only at higher speeds for extended periods of time that it becomes an issue. The effects do appear to be cumulative so a few days in a row will make it feel worse. I do find myself shifting sooner than I normally would to keep the revs toward the lower end of the range.
 

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scott123007 said:
Just a side note for you. The vibration you feel around 85mph and up is the clutch. The same clutch basket problem that has a little vibration phase around 3000-3500 gets much worse at higher speeds, especially against the wind. The next time you feel it at speed, put a little tension on your clutch lever and you will feel it disappear. Hopefully, the 2014 basket solves this, but unless I get mine for $35.00, I won't know for sure. :D
When I read your post I had to run out to the garage and take the S10 for a ride.

I ran it up pretty high in several gears and played with the clutch lever. I noticed no difference in the level of vibration. Perhaps, I lucked out and got a balanced clutch basket. That would imply that there are S10's that don't have a balanced clutch with vibrations worse than mine.
 

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I agree that the engine is underpowered for it's size. (Plus, the bike is just too damn heavy.) I think the sounds are awlright, but a Ducati it ain't. To it's credit, it does tractor along well. I've never stalled it when lugging along at ridiculously low RPM's; even loaded, and in the dirt. Perhaps the lack of power will result in superbe longevity?
 

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I did two 500 mile days back to back this weekend, with a Concours 14 riding partner who at 100mph is approximately turning something like 25% of his rev range and I'm nearly bouncing off the limiter =]

The vibes are rough, what helped me was the throttle lock thingy I use didn't really need to touch/hold the bars very much at all.
 

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Interesting... that means there are some REALLY smooth and powerful motors out there for me to experience sometime.

I came from a 2005 KLR and my Tenere - in relative comparison - purrs like a kitten and has a ludicrous excess of power.

Of course, I stay in the backwoods as much as possible and avoid interstates and thus 80+mph anytime I can.
 

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Change your handlebar to aluminum and synchronize your throttle bodies. Mine is as smooth as glass with 22,000. miles.

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I have both a 2013 and 2014 and they are both smoother than any BMW boxer I've had. Sounds like you need a throttle body sync.
 

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I rode to alaska 7800 miles in 18 days, 2 days off in denali national park. On my days off all I could think about was I miss being on the bike. Can't wait to do it again. Jim #046
 

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Have to agree with 54Nfree even though I'm only 53;)

8400 miles in 11 riding days in 2012, 4700 miles in 6 days last year and 6100 miles in 7 days this year and miss riding when not on it.

Never noticed a lack of power or bad vibes. Bad gas mileage above 4000 rpm though and that kinda sucks.
 

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My 2012 has had the throttle bodies set have 17+k and seems the clutch is getting worse 80mph it's a torture device.
The 2014's are suppose to have a smoother clutch drank the Kool-aid and ordered the basket.

Love this bike but it's starting to Suck with it's little idiosyncrasies!
 

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I have never had ANY issues with my 2013 sans the headlight harness.

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RonH said:
The Tenere is not a goldwing, so on long trips I still take the goldwing, but I enjoy the Tenere. Need multiple bikes for different tasks. The Tenere will do it all, but not the best at anything if you've owned other motorcycles. I don’t care $0.02 about how my exhaust sounds, so the sound issue I can't comment on. To me the quieter the better. For sure on long rides listening to your own exhaust sound gets old however wonderful it is.
For a tall rider there is no comparison. The Super Tenere is vastly superior to the Goldwing in comfort. I bought a new 2012 Goldwing and could not last more than 45 minutes without serious discomfort. It is also terrible in warm weather but is great if you ride a lot below 40 degrees. If I had it during the Nevada, Utah portion of the trip I would have been cooked. I sold the Goldwing after 3 months due to it being so uncomfortable even after trying a custom seat. It seems like it is built for old guys with short legs and short arms.
 

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Jury is still out on the S10 on long trip comfort (deciding now on a what seat to upgrade to). Wind protection is always a give and take situation as far as hot or cold. As long as it doesn't buffet my brain to bits, So far I'm happy with my V-stream wind screen and deflectors. Wings radiant engine heat was non existent, S10 is better than most. At 5'11" and 65,000mi later IMO it's tough to beat the all day comfort of a Wing. S10 engine noise is the worst I've owned. With ECU flashed (by ac) S10 has plenty of power to suite me (for what the bike is intended for) It's just a different animal I knew that b/4 I bought. Love the handling, 6th gear, Taking it to out of the way places with ease (where the Wing had no business being), Weird looks I get when they ask what I ride "a Super Tenere" ... a what? Their will never be a "one bike does all" This is one that comes close to the top of that curve though. Enjoy.
 

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The super tenere is great on a long trip, It's a stock seat and bags and no problems on the trip to alaska some days 600 miles. I do some 400 mile one day trips from home, I love my bike and looking forward to a big trip again soon. jim #046
 

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bmac said:
For a tall rider there is no comparison. The Super Tenere is vastly superior to the Goldwing in comfort.
I agree, I'm 6'4" and am not comfortable at all on a wing. My wife however... And I know big guys that run them, just doesn't work for me.

The Tenere is definitely the most comfortable one up bike I've owned. I do have a custom seat, grip puppies, and a Parabellum. With those it's better than similar attempts to make a K1600GTL, R1200RT, R1200GSA, Electra Glide, and WeeStrom as comfortable.
 
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