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2nd Amendment being lost in Colorado!
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One of the favorite mantras of the liberal, "if it saves just one life", except if civilian uses a gun to save that life!
I work where there are 3000 plus men who have committed crimes. Otherwise known as convicted felons. Not all the crimes committed result in death from a firearm, many crimes are committed using a gun that does not result in death,obviously, but in talking to victims about the crimes against them, ( there are many parole hearings where victims and victims families are present) except for a few, most said they had an ample bit of time to arm themselves if they had the means to do so. But they did not have a firearm, so they sat there helpless and fearful at the business end of a barrell while being raped, robbed, carjacked, assualted or battered. What will equalize a 110 lb woman to a 230lb rapist is a firearm in her well trained hands( I believe training is essential) what will stop a carjacker that orders you out of your car, while your 2 year old is in the back seat, is to comply by getting out and promptly pulling your own concealed weapon and blowing the subject away as the carjacker gets in your car,( which the mother said she would have gladly done rather than suffer one horrifying hour till the cops found the baby seat with two year old still in it on side of LA freeway). Guns are old tech, can readily be made from primitive machinery,and are also in the hundreds of millions in our nation alone, most unaccouted for in a "registry". This isn't about "gun advocacy" to me, but equalization of power. You will either be a victim or you will have a chance at equalizing the threat. The laws in place are not effective in stopping anything. I do believe however that if you took a look at a side by side by side comparison of the loons that have shot children and adults, and saw the clear warnings before hand, that maybe a little pro action may have helped, (how bout locking up your guns Mrs Lanza) that said the loon Lanza would have committed that crime no matter what, so you that think making them "illegal" or more regulated will help, keep dreaming, guns are here to stay, for a long time. Criminals will not give a shit about any law. Only the innocent who obey the law will suffer. The problem here is we do not hear about the successful diversions because of a firearm, many more lives are saved because of the gun than taken. You just do not hear about it. In the LE cpacity that I am in, like most LE, you get a real picture of the evil that exists, and it is everywhere. Until the fairy that make all guns dissapear, and the memories and tech and blueprints that go with it to create them, maybe we should not be thinking about eliminating our right to equalize ouselves against evil, or tyrannical governments for that matter.
Are you sure about the state having a say on the pay for sheriffs? I believe that most, if not all, county sheriffs and law enforcement are funded by the individual counties. The state funds state patrol, state investigative units and state crime labs. The state legislature have have some say over charges to the counties for laboratory services, but perhaps the counties can raise the rates for housing warehousing prisoners in county jails for the state bureau of prisons. There's always a quid pro quo.
WOW! I stand informed! My beliefs regarding pay I believe to still be accurate as it pertains to the rank & file. Apparently the elected sheriffs pay is set by the state legislature.Boostedxt said:
The current state politics (and common sense) in Colorado saddens me. Colorado was my home for almost 40 years, but it's looking less likely that my wife and I will retire there. We both love the place and have numerous friends that still live there, but common sense conservative thought seems to be an increasingly rare commodity. I worked with Bill Ritter when he was a prosecutor in Denver and John Suthers when he was with the U.S. Attorney's office in Denver. Both were excellent professionals in those positions. Ritter always had a left bend, but was always an aggressive prosecutor, but his true nature came to light when he became involved in politics and ran for the District attorney spot in Denver. It was sad to see that the citizens fell for Hickenlooper for governor, it seems that the die is set for a wonderful state.
spklbuk, I wasn't implying anything about YOUR credibility, or West Virginians in general. I've been out there enough to know that they are generally good people, but "different".spklbuk said:I gave no explicit or implicit credibility to Senator Chafin's comments. I was simply communicating where guns stand here in the minds of lawmakers. Surely you will admit that the man's use of statistics is creative when he is trying to make his point.
And besides, a Colorado and Conn. resident(s) looking for a place to move too might find our view of guns comforting. But we're easy to get along with Trevor, you are invited to move here too if so inclined, whether you think our opinions are credible or not.
"Creative statistics" are something that all sides indulge in, and it sometimes takes a lot of digging to get to the "truth". And sometimes you never get to it.
My father told me there are three kinds of lies. 1) lies. 2). Damn lies. 3) statistics.CapsLock said:
I've stayed away from this thread since the first couple of posts, thinking it would fizzle out, and I won't re-visit.
Pro-gun / anti-gun, not a word here is relevant to Yamaha Super Teneres and the whole thread ought to be deleted.
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Pro-gun / anti-gun, not a word here is relevant to Yamaha Super Teneres and the whole thread ought to be deleted.
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::026::.........or movedCheckswrecks said:
Before it "ought to be deleted" perhaps the lounge should be made to say "feel free to talk about anything and everything as long as it is Super Tenere related". But it does not does it? So why the complaint? Sometimes there are things/issues amongst people we share a common hobby/life style with that are important besides the "Super Tenere". And perhaps we can discuss these things without interjections of opinions that are not even a part of the discussion. And perhaps on a thread on a forum that defines what we can talk about. So we do talk about it,being govt. intrusion on rights. If it wasn't important you would have just bypassed the whole thing and not even posted. But you did not. Hell you could have just ignored it all together! But you did not. So here we are blasting back. The reality is is people like you that would be the censorer really piss me and a bunch of other people off ! Read the definition of the lounge before you type.
I have no problem with it being here, but it probably belongs in the debate forum.
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I've been reading this thread with great interest, as here in the UK we get just a partial picture of what is going on with the current gun control arguments, through our wonderfully honest and trustworthy news media. We have pretty draconian gun laws, which have fundamentally banned almost all UK citizens from having firearms and consequently, most of us have little or no experience with firearms.
We do have some exceptions though. Our farmers tend to have 12 gauge shotguns to take care of vermin and everyone has to be vetted and have a licence to own one if they want to hunt. Other than that, most guns remain the territory of the Armed Forces and specialised units within local and national Police Forces. That's not to say that gun crime is absent over here though, as people still die from being shot by someone with an illegally held gun. More often than not they are innocent people, who just were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If we had the "right" to possess firearms and our gun laws were the same as over in the US, I daresay that we Brits would be blowing each others brains out with all the fervour that some Americans appear to employ too. But the fact remains that we don't and as such, have no real understanding or insights into the groundswell of emotion that the current situation is generating over there.
I dare say that both sides of the argument are valid to those that are personally involved, be they the responsible citizen who defended himself and his family from an assailant using a legally owned a gun, or the mother of a 6 year old boy who was killed in his classroom by a geeky teenager with mental health problems and an assault rifle. I'm ever hopeful that the issue will eventually be resolved but I doubt that anybody will come out of this craziness feeling as though they've won.
We do have some exceptions though. Our farmers tend to have 12 gauge shotguns to take care of vermin and everyone has to be vetted and have a licence to own one if they want to hunt. Other than that, most guns remain the territory of the Armed Forces and specialised units within local and national Police Forces. That's not to say that gun crime is absent over here though, as people still die from being shot by someone with an illegally held gun. More often than not they are innocent people, who just were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
If we had the "right" to possess firearms and our gun laws were the same as over in the US, I daresay that we Brits would be blowing each others brains out with all the fervour that some Americans appear to employ too. But the fact remains that we don't and as such, have no real understanding or insights into the groundswell of emotion that the current situation is generating over there.
I dare say that both sides of the argument are valid to those that are personally involved, be they the responsible citizen who defended himself and his family from an assailant using a legally owned a gun, or the mother of a 6 year old boy who was killed in his classroom by a geeky teenager with mental health problems and an assault rifle. I'm ever hopeful that the issue will eventually be resolved but I doubt that anybody will come out of this craziness feeling as though they've won.
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At least CO has 15 round magazines. I recently purchased a Colt LE6920 556/223. The two magazines were not 10 round though they were 9 round magazines or 9+1. Don't know who got to Colt but they folded for some reason.
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Not contributing to the debate just keeping an eye on the thread. Looks as if you're all behaving .... sort of.
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I hate to say this but I can't help feeling that I am starting to question my decision to go to Colorado this summer for vacation after all the things Colorado is doing as of late. I just don't know if I want to spend my hard earned money in a state that is passing all kinds of laws that I do not agree with. If I do I feel I would be supporting what they are doing.
I am having a hard time with this. :'( I want to meet and ride with some of the guys from this forum that may also be going to the Tenere Rally in this beautiful riding state but this is eating at me.
No telling what other laws they will pass before the end of June. :
Should I stick to my guns or go and say to heck with my principles like many politicians do? ??? :-\
I am having a hard time with this. :'( I want to meet and ride with some of the guys from this forum that may also be going to the Tenere Rally in this beautiful riding state but this is eating at me.
No telling what other laws they will pass before the end of June. :
Should I stick to my guns
or go and say to heck with my principles like many politicians do? ??? :-\