2016 Stalling

[Twintens]

Hi guys, in the UK, first thread with new to me 2016 with 3,500 miles. Former owner fitted arrow decat headers, Akrapovic and K&N filter amongst other things. Bike has been used by me in London so far as I get used to it in traffic and other roads. Sounds like a Ducati with the mods and feels lumpy. It will stall when I come off open road and into traffic. Starts up straight away but has done it many times now in the 220 miles I have done. Bit disconcerting as I do a lot of close traffic manoeuvring. Bike also gets up to 105c pretty quickly and fan is on and off all the time. Former owner said he intended to flash the ECU but hadn’t. Intending to take this bike far and wide in hot climates in August and would like to get this seen to. Have emailed and rang Chris Steedman @ CJS racing about an ECU flash but no reply. Does anyone know if he is still operating, does anyone have an alternative to him ?

Cheers, Rikki

 

[Squibb]

Sounds like your bike is running way too lean.
What has happened to the lambda sensor? Does the bike spit or backfire? Presumably there are no warning lights or codes showing?

Strange, CJS have a good reputation & a recent Google review, so it may be worth persevering.

Around my patch the two options are: -

Dave Wood, an ex-racer, in Aylesbury .......... https://www.davewoodracing.com/about.
Tends to specialise in race/track bikes but may be able to help.

Pete Holland, near MK ........ https://hollandengineeringservices.co.uk/
(However I note Pete no longer mentions his dyno room on the website & it has been a few years since he last set up a bike for me)

 

[Twintens]

Sounds like your bike is running way too lean.
What has happened to the lambda sensor? Does the bike spit or backfire? Presumably there are no warning lights or codes showing?

Strange, CJS have a good reputation & a recent Google review, so it may be worth persevering.

Around my patch the two options are: -

Dave Wood, an ex-racer, in Aylesbury .......... https://www.davewoodracing.com/about.
Tends to specialise in race/track bikes but may be able to help.

Pete Holland, near MK ........ https://hollandengineeringservices.co.uk/
(However I note Pete no longer mentions his dyno room on the website & it has been a few years since he last set up a bike for me)

Thanks for the reply, That was my thought too, running too lean. Definitely a hot bike to ride in and around the city. Haven’t checked the lambda sensor and yes, bike pops and bangs a lot on the overrun after accelerating but wouldn’t classify it as a backfire. Can’t do any work on it where I live (front door on street) and not at its storage place so will have to take it in to someone.
Have rung CJS a few times (and just now) on 07517 490213 but no answer, and also emailed them off their website. Maybe not operating anymore ?
Was thinking of fitting a booster plug (even temporarily) if I can’t get anyone to look at an ECU flash but will look around at your contacts and others before I do that.
Intending to take the bike through Spain and into Morocco in August so keen to get this sorted. Absolutely love the bike but will love it more when it’s sorted.

 

[bimota]

yep,

bike with aftermarket headers and can and filter will run terrible with out a ecu flash,

mine was done by cjs in bristol a few yrs back now he,s brilliant had it on the dyno for 4 and a half hours

rob

 

[Twintens]

Rob, thanks for the reply. I can tell it’s all the add-ons causing it and the former owner did say he wanted to get it reflashed. I can’t get hold of Chris. I’m even thinking of taking a ride down from London to Bristol to see if he is there as I can’t raise him on the phone or on email. If I can’t get hold of him or someone else qualified enough to reflash it I may just install a booster plug for now even though I know that is a temporary solution.

 

[bimota]

i know alot have had theres done by these and say there really good

Motorcycle ECU Flashing & Accessories United Kingdom | Wiz Performance

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rob

 

[Longdog Cymru]

CJS are still operating but, as I understand it, very busy But are thought to be one of the best around. It sounds like it is running way too lean. One question, did you get the stock exhaust system from the seller? If the Arrows de-cat headers, Akro and K&N filter has been fitted without having the ECU flashed, then there is your problem, too lean.

 

[TenereJourneyMan]

Hi guys, in the UK, first thread with new to me 2016 with 3,500 miles. Former owner fitted arrow decat headers, Akrapovic and K&N filter amongst other things. Bike has been used by me in London so far as I get used to it in traffic and other roads. Sounds like a Ducati with the mods and feels lumpy. It will stall when I come off open road and into traffic. Starts up straight away but has done it many times now in the 220 miles I have done. Bit disconcerting as I do a lot of close traffic manoeuvring. Bike also gets up to 105c pretty quickly and fan is on and off all the time. Former owner said he intended to flash the ECU but hadn’t. Intending to take this bike far and wide in hot climates in August and would like to get this seen to. Have emailed and rang Chris Steedman @ CJS racing about an ECU flash but no reply. Does anyone know if he is still operating, does anyone have an alternative to him ?

Cheers, Rikki
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Hello twintens, Congratulations on your new Super Tenere purchase. It seems that the prior owner only put 875 miles per year on that motorcycle and was saving it up for you. Having said that, it’s possible that your bike has not been through the entire “break in” period, yet. You might surf through your owners manual and see what it says about how long you’re supposed to take it easy for, etc. There are many owners on this site who are original owners and probably can offer much information about that sort of thing. My understanding is once it’s through that break in, you’re well on your way to “riding it hard and putting it away wet” on a regular basis and for many, many fun miles. Enjoy!

 

[Cycledude]

If you happen to still have the stock exhaust system I recommend reinstalling that to see what happens, the K&N filter is probably adding to the problem.

 

[Twintens]

CJS are still operating but, as I understand it, very busy But are thought to be one of the best around. It sounds like it is running way too lean. One question, did you get the stock exhaust system from the seller? If the Arrows de-cat headers, Akro and K&N filter has been fitted without having the ECU flashed, then there is your problem, too lean.

Longdog, a lifetime of running twins (XTZ750’s) in very hot places has given me insight into when machinery is running lean, I brought it home on a cool day a few weeks ago but since then have only ridden it in and around London and in traffic to test it and I could tell the fuelling mixture was wrong. It’s not too bad in T mode poodling around but in S mode it’s snappy, snarly and stalls more.
I actually had never ridden a 1200 before this one. Have left it alone whilst I figure out best way forward as it is a great biike even in this unruly state! I may just ride it down to CJS and go on bended knee and ask them to look at it. In the meantime I’ve sent Whiz performance an email as well and I’ll see what they say.

 

[Twintens]

If you happen to still have the stock exhaust system I recommend reinstalling that to see what happens, the K&N filter is probably adding to the problem.

I do have the stock system, will persevere with a reflash but ultimately I have all the original components to reinstall if I go that way.

 

[Twintens]

Hello twintens, Congratulations on your new Super Tenere purchase. It seems that the prior owner only put 875 miles per year on that motorcycle and was saving it up for you. Having said that, it’s possible that your bike has not been through the entire the break in period yet. You might surf through your owners manual and see what it says about how long you’re supposed to take it easy for, etc. There are many owners on this site who are original owners and probably can offer much information about that sort of thing. My understanding is once it’s through that break in, you’re well on your way to “riding it hard and putting it away wet” on a regular basis and for many, many fun miles. Enjoy!

Hello twintens, Congratulations on your new Super Tenere purchase. It seems that the prior owner only put 875 miles per year on that motorcycle and was saving it up for you. Having said that, it’s possible that your bike has not been through the entire the break in period yet. You might surf through your owners manual and see what it says about how long you’re supposed to take it easy for, etc. There are many owners on this site who are original owners and probably can offer much information about that sort of thing. My understanding is once it’s through that break in, you’re well on your way to “riding it hard and putting it away wet” on a regular basis and for many, many fun miles. Enjoy!

Yes, bike was in storage for some time and hardly ridden before I picked it up. From looking online it takes 5-6000 miles for these to bed in so this one has a way to go. At 59 I’m one of those “take it easy‘ guys and being mechanically sympathetic I’ve spent the first 200 Miles listening to it and babying it. Absolutely love the bike and will solve its running lean issue for sure, it just takes time and input. Looking forward to taking it inter-country and enjoying it!

 

[TenereJourneyMan]

Yes, bike was in storage for some time and hardly ridden before I picked it up. From looking online it takes 5-6000 miles for these to bed in so this one has a way to go. At 59 I’m one of those “take it easy‘ guys and being mechanically sympathetic I’ve spent the first 200 Miles listening to it and babying it. Absolutely love the bike and will solve its running lean issue for sure, it just takes time and input. Looking forward to taking it inter-country and enjoying it!

Hello again TwinTens, Having restored innumerable motorcycles, boats and vintage automobiles (which have been sitting around and not running for excessive durations) I offer the following observations:

1) If (when you picked up the motorcycle from the seller) it did not have a completely full tank of gas (with some sort of fuel stabilizer in it) it is likely that the area above the fuel line has some sort of “shellac” or “varnish” inside of the entire upper gas tank, due to the various processes involved in fuel degradation.

2) The same situation probably exists in the fuel lines, the throttlebody, etc.

3) Having now driven the motorcycle a little bit with the above conditions, it’s possible that you have carbonized much of the combustion chamber, etc. Not to worry, this is all reversible.

4) I had a situation similar to yours and offer the following advice, which was offered to me. The Yamaha Master (Gold) Tech in Montrose, Colorado insisted that I continually use the following engine cleaning additive in each fill up of fuel. This was due to the fact that he saw an over abundance of carbon buildup inside of the cylinder walls and valves, upon teardown.
Part # :ACC-ENGIN-RX-16
Part Description: ENGINE MED RX 16OZ/1

5) There are numerous fuel additives that you can also run through the system to clear out the shellac, etc. With a little bit of patience and persistence, you will overcome that fairly easily.

6) One very important factor about the 1200 Super Tenere is that it demands to be run at a high rpm on a regular basis. As soon as you can get past the break-in period, most people on this forum would suggest that you consider “riding the snot out of it” very regularly. The bike only gets better with time. I’m at 65,000 miles on my motorcycle at the moment and it just keeps getting better.

Enjoy the Ride!

 

[Twintens]

Thanks for the message journeyman, we have the same interests as I used to run a Mercury marine franchise many moons ago! As you know, running a marine engine makes you watch the temps like a hawk!
From what I can gather the bike was stashed from new by the first owner and rarely ridden. It was then part exchanged for a cruiser to a dealership. The guy who owns the dealership used it to celebrate his 50th birthday by riding it around Scotland not long ago. He then sold it to me. There has been no stale fuel in it and it’s all clean. The dealership guy installed lots of accessories including the Arrow headers, Akrapovic, and K&N filter among many other things. He really went to town on it and it even has brass coloured axle nuts and spoke nipples. He did say he had intended to get it reflashed but the good reflash guys are very busy here in the UK so he sold it to me without completing his performance upgrade so to speak. Bike rides beautifully albeit lean and of course the stalling. In S mode its an absolute snappy beast so interested to see the figures from the upcoming dyno test.
Some good news is that Chris @ CJS racing emailed me this morning with a date in August and I’ve booked it in. His results are very good apparently so heres to him taming the beast in my bike, after which, having put some more miles on it I will be able to “ ride the snot out of it“.

 

[Fordf350]

All that attention to detail but never focusing on drivability, I have a friend that does the exact same thing. He spent over 80k on fixing up his Jeep but it now over heats when running the a/c or it will go into limp mode after 40 miles. Love the wheels and color combo of your bike. How about a few side pics?

 

[bimota]

Thanks for the message journeyman, we have the same interests as I used to run a Mercury marine franchise many moons ago! As you know, running a marine engine makes you watch the temps like a hawk!
From what I can gather the bike was stashed from new by the first owner and rarely ridden. It was then part exchanged for a cruiser to a dealership. The guy who owns the dealership used it to celebrate his 50th birthday by riding it around Scotland not long ago. He then sold it to me. There has been no stale fuel in it and it’s all clean. The dealership guy installed lots of accessories including the Arrow headers, Akrapovic, and K&N filter among many other things. He really went to town on it and it even has brass coloured axle nuts and spoke nipples. He did say he had intended to get it reflashed but the good reflash guys are very busy here in the UK so he sold it to me without completing his performance upgrade so to speak. Bike rides beautifully albeit lean and of course the stalling. In S mode its an absolute snappy beast so interested to see the figures from the upcoming dyno test.
Some good news is that Chris @ CJS racing emailed me this morning with a date in August and I’ve booked it in. His results are very good apparently so heres to him taming the beast in my bike, after which, having put some more miles on it I will be able to “ ride the snot out of it“.


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those spokes been changed by any chance not seen the gold nipples

 

[TenereJourneyMan]

Thanks for the message journeyman, we have the same interests as I used to run a Mercury marine franchise many moons ago! As you know, running a marine engine makes you watch the temps like a hawk!
From what I can gather the bike was stashed from new by the first owner and rarely ridden. It was then part exchanged for a cruiser to a dealership. The guy who owns the dealership used it to celebrate his 50th birthday by riding it around Scotland not long ago. He then sold it to me. There has been no stale fuel in it and it’s all clean. The dealership guy installed lots of accessories including the Arrow headers, Akrapovic, and K&N filter among many other things. He really went to town on it and it even has brass coloured axle nuts and spoke nipples. He did say he had intended to get it reflashed but the good reflash guys are very busy here in the UK so he sold it to me without completing his performance upgrade so to speak. Bike rides beautifully albeit lean and of course the stalling. In S mode its an absolute snappy beast so interested to see the figures from the upcoming dyno test.
Some good news is that Chris @ CJS racing emailed me this morning with a date in August and I’ve booked it in. His results are very good apparently so heres to him taming the beast in my bike, after which, having put some more miles on it I will be able to “ ride the snot out of it“.


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Hey TwinTens, That is a beautiful looking motorcycle. I have the 2012, which is a Gen1 bike. I was thinking about your challenge and it sounds like you might have it resolved with getting the reflash and re-tune on the motorcycle. I will cross my fingers for you. I also ran across the following “front brake switch” recall for your motorcycle:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2020/RCONL-20V814-0316.pdf

You may want to type your VIN into one of these NHTSA/Yamaha recall search websites and see what other list of recalls applies to your specific bike:

Recalls | NHTSA

Use our VIN lookup tool to check for recalls on your car, or search by make and model. Also, get recall information on car seats, tires and equipment.

www.nhtsa.gov

I haven’t heard of any electrical/tune related problems from Gen2 bikes, but the Gen1 Bikes had a wiring harness recall which I had to have completed. Just a thought. Continued Good Luck!

 

[Twintens]

All that attention to detail but never focusing on drivability, I have a friend that does the exact same thing. He spent over 80k on fixing up his Jeep but it now over heats when running the a/c or it will go into limp mode after 40 miles. Love the wheels and color combo of your bike. How about a few side pics?

Lol, Ford350, great post, (great truck by the way ) I think he set out to create a rolling road work of art out of an ADV bike. He actually did a great job and largely succeeded. Bike sounds gnarly and looks great. Had he done the reflash would have been all good. I went looking for a new ADV bike as i’m the owner of an immaculate 1993 XTZ750. Never been worked on and looks brand new. It has a full service history and 29yrs of paperwork. Its so clean I didn’t want to take it into the bush this August so bought something I could do that with -only problem is I found a similarly super clean bike! . I’m pretty sure the reflash guys will sort it out, just have to wait until August for my booking. I’m off to Europe and Morocco with it shortly afterwards. Have attached a side pic for you and also a gratuitous pic of the XTZ750

 

[Bmwdumptruck]

Wiz will just want you to post your ecu to him. With all your mods I’d say youneed it on a dyno. Mine stalled the other day, for the first time in over 25years of riding I dropped a bike. I am findng shes more susseptable to stalling than my Pan,FJR or old GS. I’m wondering if the offset crank causes this?

 

[Fordf350]

@Twintens beautiful pair of bikes. That truck is my 1974 F350 Super Camper Special,driven regularly. 8-9 mpg