2014 ST CRUISE CONTROL

[antiwaki]

I went today to a 200km highway trip and had the oportunity to use the Cruise Control, this is my first motorcycle with this feature and I really liked it, it works exactly as one in a car, you turn it on and as you get to the desired speed, you press set and release the throtle, you can increase or decrease the set speed, and you can restore the programmed speed. It is a very convenient feature, of course I could live without it but as long as it is installed, welcome and lets use it.
There are several ways to turn it off:
-Move the throttle backwards.
-Pull the clutch
-Pull the front brake lever
-Push the rear brake
-Change gear without clutch.

 

[TommyBwell]

Sorry for the stupid question but I thought since it is electronic if you let go of the throttle tube it returns to the stop? By your comment about turning it backwards are you saying the the throttle tube locks in place?

 

[fredz43]

Sorry for the stupid question but I thought since it is electronic if you let go of the throttle tube it returns to the stop? By your comment about turning it backwards are you saying the the throttle tube locks in place?

I'm not the OP. but can offer this answer as one who has had both OEM and aftermarket electronic cruise. The throttle tube moves just as if you didn't have it engaged, only it is being moved by the CC and not you. This takes a little getting used to as your right hand is held lightly on the throttle tube so that it can make it's slight correcting movements as when going up and down hills.

 

[OldRider]

I'm not the OP. but can offer this answer as one who has had both OEM and aftermarket electronic cruise. The throttle tube moves just as if you didn't have it engaged, only it is being moved by the CC and not you. This takes a little getting used to as your right hand is held lightly on the throttle tube so that it can make it's slight correcting movements as when going up and down hills.

Why would you need to make any corrections for hills? That's what the cruise control is for. On my Wing I would rest my hand on the front brake master cylinder and let the CC do it's job.

 

[twinrider]

Why would you need to make any corrections for hills? That's what the cruise control is for. On my Wing I would rest my hand on the front brake master cylinder and let the CC do it's job.

You're misunderstanding. He's saying the CC is doing the correcting but you can feel the throttle move in your hand.

I have ECC on my Road King and can't feel the throttle moving at all so I don't think that's the case with my bike. But however if works it's extremely accurate at maintaining the desired speed.

 

[fredz43]

You're misunderstanding. He's saying the CC is doing the correcting but you can feel the throttle move in your hand.

I have ECC on my Road King and can't feel the throttle moving at all so I don't think that's the case with my bike. But however if works it's extremely accurate at maintaining the desired speed.

Yes, that is what I was trying to say. The CC is pulling on the throttle body pulley just like you would be without CC. When the bike is going up a hill, the CC will have to increase throttle opening to maintain the selected speed. It isn't much movement, but it does move the throttle tube. I suppose that in the case of a cc that was incorporated with a fuel injected bike that didn't have cables coming off of the throttle tube, in other words a true "fly by wire", the throttle tube wouldn't move. In the case of our S10's. we have cables coming off the throttle tubes going to the master pulley for the throttle bodies, so they will move as the CC opens and closes the throttle bodies.

 

[twinrider]

I suppose that in the case of a cc that was incorporated with a fuel injected bike that didn't have cables coming off of the throttle tube, in other words a true "fly by wire", the throttle tube wouldn't move. In the case of our S10's. we have cables coming off the throttle tubes going to the master pulley for the throttle bodies, so they will move as the CC opens and closes the throttle bodies.

That explains that.

 

[OldRider]

Yes, that is what I was trying to say. The CC is pulling on the throttle body pulley just like you would be without CC. When the bike is going up a hill, the CC will have to increase throttle opening to maintain the selected speed. It isn't much movement, but it does move the throttle tube. I suppose that in the case of a cc that was incorporated with a fuel injected bike that didn't have cables coming off of the throttle tube, in other words a true "fly by wire", the throttle tube wouldn't move. In the case of our S10's. we have cables coming off the throttle tubes going to the master pulley for the throttle bodies, so they will move as the CC opens and closes the throttle bodies.

Ok I gotcha. They taught reading in school, but I missed that day. I know how it all works, I just misread your reply.

 

[fredz43]

Ok I gotcha. They taught reading in school, but I missed that day. I know how it all works, I just misread your reply.

I was lucky, my sister was sick the day they taught reading, so I took her place.

I missed the day when they taught 'splainin' though. ;D

 

[antiwaki]

Everything is electronic, as soon as you set the CC, the throtle goes back to the "closed" position and it remains there all the time, if you want to disconect the CC you move the throtle (that it's in the closed position) a little to the front. Or with the brake levers or the clutch or with the CC on/off switch.
Great gadget, I can learn to live with it.

 

[antiwaki]

There are no stupid questions.

 

[Millsy_666]

question: being that the throttle rests in the closed position, dose the bike suddenly decelerate when the cruise is disengaged (i know some people are quite displeased with the amount of deceleration experienced currently when you simple release the throttle with out cruise on the current models)? i know sometimes that's what you want to happen when you disengage the cruise but other times you just want it off, and i imagine it could be a little "jerky" snatching the throttle back open to match the speed rpm you need to keep on sailing..

 

[Philistine]

Here's my cruise control ten bucks!

 

[fredz43]

Everything is electronic, as soon as you set the CC, the throtle goes back to the "closed" position and it remains there all the time, if you want to disconect the CC you move the throtle (that it's in the closed position) a little to the front. Or with the brake levers or the clutch or with the CC on/off switch.
Great gadget, I can learn to live with it.

That is interesting. In your original explanation, you said that one way to disengage it was to move the throttle backwards. To me that means move it closed. Here you say to disengage, you move it to the front. If it were already in the closed position, how could you move it to the front if it is already there?

 

[20valves]

If it works like the FJR cruise, and I bet it does, you have some slack in the throttle when it's on cc, you can accelerate from your selected cruise speed but when you let off it will resume the cruise speed. If you close the throttle, there's a resistance point, it senses you want to close the throttle and then pauses the cc. Very intuitive, very easy, very safe. I do not ever feel the throttle being rotated by the cc. If it is moving, it's very subtle. This is all FJR experience.

 

[fredz43]

If it works like the FJR cruise, and I bet it does, you have some slack in the throttle when it's on cc, you can accelerate from your selected cruise speed but when you let off it will resume the cruise speed. If you close the throttle, there's a resistance point, it senses you want to close the throttle and then pauses the cc. Very intuitive, very easy, very safe. I do not ever feel the throttle being rotated by the cc. If it is moving, it's very subtle. This is all FJR experience.

I hope to do a demo on a 2014 FJR with electronic suspension and cruise today or tomorrow and will check out how the cruise works compared to the many others I have ridden and owned. The times I could feel the most movement of the throttle tube on those was when you disengage it, then slow down quite a bit, such as going thru a town and when you get out of town and tap the Resume button, the throttle will twist quite a bit in order to get back to set speed. At other times, any movement is subtle, as corrections as slight, except going up a steep hill, for instance.

 

[antiwaki]

I apologize for my English, what I meant was that the CC is completely electronic, once you set the speed, the throttle goes back to the closed position and stays there, all automatic acceleration or deceleration of the CC it´s being done electronically, the throttle does not move at all.
Being the throttle in that position (closed) you turn it a little further to the front, as if you would decelerate a little more (1 mm) and you can feel a click cancelling the CC. The throttle won´t move forward more than 1 mm.
When you cancel the CC in any way, you immediately feel the deceleration of the motorcycle as if you had released the throttle.

 

[JHKolb]

The 1 option I really wanted when I got my ST, is finally included.

Has anyone looked into the possibility of a retro-fit of this ECC to a Non-ECC bike?

 

[rush2112]

Search on here for the Rostra Electronic Cruise install. That is what I did and it works great. Total cost around 300

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[rush2112]

I'd love to see someone retro a 2014 left hand cluster to work with my aftermarket cruise.

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