2009 Ducati Multistrada VS 2012 Super Tenere

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Well....I got my bike on wednesday and was able to put on about 50 miles today. I figured I would post up something comparing the two as in the articles they are often compared. I know 50 miles is not much, but this is what I learned today....

Fit and Finish: Both bikes are amazing when it comes to this. I feel the bikes are so close it wouldnt be fair to say one was better than the other. The S10 has great feel and look when you go over the bike completely. It seems like Yamaha really did a great job on the details with this bike and the gap in many, and my eyes, is closed if not gone between the elegance of the Italian bikes over japanese bikes. I think Yamaha showed you can mass produce a very nice, quality built bike that has a great finish.

Engines: Both bikes have amazing engines but they are yet very different. The multi engine is very spunking and the S10 engine, although spunky is so smooth it takes some of the excitement out of it. The Tenere feels just as fast if not faster than my old multistrada honestly. I guess the only way I could describe it would be that the S10 has an engine that does everything well. It does side roads, highways, dirt, and twisty canyons very well. The Multistrada engine has gobs of power thus making it quicker through the really right paved turns because you leave it in 2nd and just rip from turn to turn. The downside to the Ducati engine is it feels like when you crack the throttle the bike is pulling away from you. Now thats great for some situations and horrible in others. The Multi in my opinion wouldnt not be good on the dirt as its power delivery is just to quick where as the S10 is so smooth it wouldnt matter. I feel the S10 has a better engine for more real world riding situations than the Multi.

Brakes and Suspension: I have to give the edge to the Ducati on this. Upgraded brake lines and full ohlins was great. Top notch components. That doesnt mean the S10 is lacking at all. The view of the components used it better on the Ducati, but I feel performance wise they are both amazing. Both bikes hold a line very well, gobble up poor pavement, and both bikes brake amazing. Some just some like the idea of having ohlins and brembo. For me I wont be able to feel a difference so its a mute point to me.

Standing: Tenere without a question of a doubt. I dont think Ducati ever considered people would stand up on the multistrada. I tried and almost face planted over the front of the bike. I am 6ft and 35" inseam with longish arms. I couldnt do it. I would have needed 4" risers. I was so hunched over it was crazy. Tenere? Amazing. I was in a parking lot practicing before hitting the main streets, being on a new bike, and with in 20 minutes I was standing and going 2-3mph slipping the clutch and making u-turns. The Tenere inspires so much confidence while standing its almost comical.

Sitting: Both bikes are different here and I feel it goes along with the engine. The Multistrada engine in the mountains and paved canyons is a hoot and the seating position goes along with that. You are more forward and slightly more aggressive. The bike is very comfortable and you can do 700 mile days on it without issue. The Tenere is so relaxed and comfy I dont see how hitting 1000 miles in a day is a big issue. You sit vertical and the arms are draped naturally to the bars. You dont have to reach, you dont have to scrunch, the bars are just there. If you want to ride aggressive the multi is the better of the two. If you want to cruise and cover some amazing miles and tour, yet still have some fun in the canyons the tenere is better. It all depends what and how you want to ride.

Handling and Weight: Tenere: 575 pounds and the multi is 480 roughly wet. Edge to the Ducati just due to its overall weight, however the Tenere does NOT feel 100 pounds heavier. It feels the same if not lighter once moving. Pushing around the garage? Yup...its a cow, turn in and once moving? Its 100% on par with the Multi. It actually feels to drop into the turn faster than the multi to me. I might be imagining things but the bike does not feel its weight at all. Its a big bike yes, but it carries its weight remarkably well. I would honestly say the weight deal is null and void, so if you are reading this thinking.."do I want a 575 pound adventure touring bike?" The answer is a resounding yes. Ignore the magazines and look past it. (*this is my feelings. If you are 5'2 and 100 pounds soaking wet in a white t-shirt and bikini bottom, your feelings may differ. However photo proof is required*)

Over all I am VERY impressed with the Super Tenere. I had some fears coming from the Multi and the speed and thrills it delivered. I was even told I would be bored with the Tenere and want to sell it very quickly. It took just 50 miles to wipe those fears away. In my life I have ridden and or owned a lot of bikes ranging the whole scale. The Tenere so far is the best bike for everything that I can think of. Its fun in the turns, great engine, great reliability, comfortable, and over just a great package. I am excited for the next hundreds of thousands of miles on this bike and I would not hesitate to tell anyone to buy this bike as its just that good.

I am going to go ride some more before the sun goes away. bye!

joe
 

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Great comparison write up. I actually considered riding the new multistrada as I have always been an admirer of the ducati bike. I narrowed my choice down to the BMW GS and the Tenere and wound up with the Tenere and am, so far, a happy camper. With approximately 500 miles as of today Iwill be ready for first service on Monday.hope to take first camping trip on bike in early January. Keep us posted. By the way how many miles did you have on the Multistrada and any major service issues? With the sparse dealer network this was a concern for me.
 

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Boostedxt your comments and analysis are spot on. I came from a 2004 1000DS and everyting you said I agree with except for the Ohlins part because I did not have them. The Multi on a tight road- turn to turn thrust in 2nd gear was just amazing. The Ducati is a very mechanical bike, to the point of annoyance at times. The Tenere is way more practical, versitle and all around fun. Loved my Multi, love the Tenere more. The more miles you ride the better it gets ::022::
 

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Nice write up Joe. Interesting to hear your comparisons. Thanks for sharing ::022::
 

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Thought I'd end up with an 2011 duc mts after several extended test rides.

Engine is intoxicating and the s10 (or anything else) is not in the same Engine league. Period.
Looks are smooth and sexy, instant Starbucks superstar cache.
Quirky, dubious reliability and expensive to buy and own.


The s10 does most everything well, looks good, rides well, reliable, good value and cheap to maintain.


It is a Ferrarii Italia vs lexus LFA comparison.

A stage one setup with the diapsion ecu mod will make me forget about that mts engine.
 

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Thanx for the write-up boostedxt! I'm sure you're gonna love the XT even more over time. Like X5 said, if you decide you need more grunt, fit an Arrows header, Akra slipon, PC V+Autotune and a Diapason ECU flash and you'll enjoy MS-like bite in an XT package. The usability of the XT is second to none.
 

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I used to ride with a mate who was a Ducati lover, he spent a loads of money buying his two machines, his main big problems were a) would they start when he wanted to ride, b) very poor and expensive dealers. I had been into his dealership with him a number of times and had been less than impressed with cocky sales and service staff. Yes a very good looking machine, but I want mine to ride not just look at. I have never had anything but brilliant service from my Yamaha's and dealership which is why I have been a returning customer
 

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While I LOVED my Multistrada 1000S, the QC issues were more than I wanted to deal with. My gas tank would "grow" in the frame due to the effects of ethanol. This eventually caused it to leak. Ducati would replace it under warranty with the same tank but once out of warranty, you were on the hook for $1900 for a new tank which would eventually leak again. My '05 was also subject to a manufacturing fault having to do with "soft" valve guides. The alloy material they used was unsuitable and was subject to premature wear and failure. In some cases, Ducati would pay the parts but not the labor charge. In other cases, they wouldn't pay for anything. So, you were on the hook for a $2000 valve guide replacement. There were also issues with failing instrument pods. Guess how much for that. Since I never considered my Multi to be an off-road bike, I traded it for a new Street Triple R and haven't looked back.
 

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JohnB said:
While I LOVED my Multistrada 1000S, the QC issues were more than I wanted to deal with. My gas tank would "grow" in the frame due to the effects of ethanol. This eventually caused it to leak.
"Grow" due to ethanol? Can you explain that better? I'm not making sense of exactly what the issue was. Curious.
 

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"Grow" due to ethanol? Can you explain that better? I'm not making sense of exactly what the issue was. Curious.
As I can somewhat qualify as a Ducati aficionado having owned three over the past 5 years I can give some insight. There is a very well documented and on going battle of Ducati owners vs. Ducati NA about problems with some models plastic tanks expanding and creating havoc for the bikes and owners. I think some of the first bikes with problems were the sport classics and then some other models have been effected as well. Apparently a large group of tanks are having expansion problems that appear to be linked to ethanol fuel because bikes in countries without ethanol are not having the same issue. This is a quick synopsis of the situation and if you are interested in further info check out Ducati MS as it is discussed at length over there.
 

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Yes, what he said. The Multistrada was not the only Ducati model having this problem. IMO, other brands are also seeing this issue. Before I bought my S10, I was also interested in the H-D XR1200X. Having never owned a Harley mainly due to the cruiser riding position and abundance of weight among other things, the XR1200 was the first H-D that offered a somewhat "sporty" riding position. I was getting ready to pull the trigger on one and noticed a post on the xr1200ownersgroup site about swelling and leaking plastic gas tanks. Harley was (and still is) playing the same game as Ducati was with my Multi. They would replace the tanks under warranty with the same tank. That sealed the deal for me and I began looking elsewhere.
 

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I also have this combination in the garage and thought I would chime in in Red.

Boostedxt said:
Well....I got my bike on wednesday and was able to put on about 50 miles today. I figured I would post up something comparing the two as in the articles they are often compared. I know 50 miles is not much, but this is what I learned today....

Fit and Finish: Both bikes are amazing when it comes to this. I feel the bikes are so close it wouldnt be fair to say one was better than the other. The S10 has great feel and look when you go over the bike completely. It seems like Yamaha really did a great job on the details with this bike and the gap in many, and my eyes, is closed if not gone between the elegance of the Italian bikes over japanese bikes. I think Yamaha showed you can mass produce a very nice, quality built bike that has a great finish.

I agree both bikes are made well and have excellent fit and finish. Considering the class action law suit in settlement right now over expanding tanks from the use of ethanol I have to give the nod to the Yamaha.

Engines: Both bikes have amazing engines but they are yet very different. The multi engine is very spunking and the S10 engine, although spunky is so smooth it takes some of the excitement out of it. The Tenere feels just as fast if not faster than my old multistrada honestly. I guess the only way I could describe it would be that the S10 has an engine that does everything well. It does side roads, highways, dirt, and twisty canyons very well. The Multistrada engine has gobs of power thus making it quicker through the really right paved turns because you leave it in 2nd and just rip from turn to turn. The downside to the Ducati engine is it feels like when you crack the throttle the bike is pulling away from you. Now thats great for some situations and horrible in others. The Multi in my opinion wouldnt not be good on the dirt as its power delivery is just to quick where as the S10 is so smooth it wouldnt matter. I feel the S10 has a better engine for more real world riding situations than the Multi.

I have to say that there isn't a chance in you know where that my Tenere is faster than the Ducati. The Duc will eat the Tenere's lunch any day. The low end power delivery is certainly smoother on the Tenere bur a $100 FatDuc works wonders and makes the Duc almost as smooth but the tall gearing on the Duc gives the Tenere the edge down low.

Brakes and Suspension: I have to give the edge to the Ducati on this. Upgraded brake lines and full ohlins was great. Top notch components. That doesnt mean the S10 is lacking at all. The view of the components used it better on the Ducati, but I feel performance wise they are both amazing. Both bikes hold a line very well, gobble up poor pavement, and both bikes brake amazing. Some just some like the idea of having ohlins and brembo. For me I wont be able to feel a difference so its a mute point to me.

This is a tough one. The brakes on the Ducati have way way way more bite than the Yamaha and because of this the YAMAHA wins. Without ABS the Ducati is dangerous as I have locked the front wheel with a single finger squeeze on the lever. The Duc's brakes demand respect and skill. As for the suspension, I have the DS non-Ohlins model and I still give the nod to Ducati. Full adjustments at both ends make the decision for me. That said they both perform equally well in their own niche.

Standing: Tenere without a question of a doubt. I dont think Ducati ever considered people would stand up on the multistrada. I tried and almost face planted over the front of the bike. I am 6ft and 35" inseam with longish arms. I couldnt do it. I would have needed 4" risers. I was so hunched over it was crazy. Tenere? Amazing. I was in a parking lot practicing before hitting the main streets, being on a new bike, and with in 20 minutes I was standing and going 2-3mph slipping the clutch and making u-turns. The Tenere inspires so much confidence while standing its almost comical.

Ditto!

Sitting: Both bikes are different here and I feel it goes along with the engine. The Multistrada engine in the mountains and paved canyons is a hoot and the seating position goes along with that. You are more forward and slightly more aggressive. The bike is very comfortable and you can do 700 mile days on it without issue. The Tenere is so relaxed and comfy I dont see how hitting 1000 miles in a day is a big issue. You sit vertical and the arms are draped naturally to the bars. You dont have to reach, you dont have to scrunch, the bars are just there. If you want to ride aggressive the multi is the better of the two. If you want to cruise and cover some amazing miles and tour, yet still have some fun in the canyons the tenere is better. It all depends what and how you want to ride.

No preference here, both are comfortable for the long haul.

Handling and Weight: Tenere: 575 pounds and the multi is 480 roughly wet. Edge to the Ducati just due to its overall weight, however the Tenere does NOT feel 100 pounds heavier. It feels the same if not lighter once moving. Pushing around the garage? Yup...its a cow, turn in and once moving? Its 100% on par with the Multi. It actually feels to drop into the turn faster than the multi to me. I might be imagining things but the bike does not feel its weight at all. Its a big bike yes, but it carries its weight remarkably well. I would honestly say the weight deal is null and void, so if you are reading this thinking.."do I want a 575 pound adventure touring bike?" The answer is a resounding yes. Ignore the magazines and look past it. (*this is my feelings. If you are 5'2 and 100 pounds soaking wet in a white t-shirt and bikini bottom, your feelings may differ. However photo proof is required*)

I disagree some with the comparison here. It is hard to describe but the Tenere is just easy in the way it handles with the wide bars and dirtbike feel. In the under 60 MPH I give the nod tho the Tenere. The Multi has the soul and some of the geometry of a sportbike. The Ducati is not much fun at low speeds with its heavy steering and its too quick to fall into a turn at low speeds ( need to slide the fork down in the clamps to see what difference it makes) the Ducati gets better the faster you go. While the Tenere feels comfortable at normal velocities the Multi starts coming into its own at highway speeds and gets better as the speeds rise. The steering is definitely lighter on the Tenere but ride a Multi afterwards and you feel like you are riding a bicycle. For me the Tenere is the definite winner and the winner in the ADV category but the Multi does other things well.

Over all I am VERY impressed with the Super Tenere. I had some fears coming from the Multi and the speed and thrills it delivered. I was even told I would be bored with the Tenere and want to sell it very quickly. It took just 50 miles to wipe those fears away. In my life I have ridden and or owned a lot of bikes ranging the whole scale. The Tenere so far is the best bike for everything that I can think of. Its fun in the turns, great engine, great reliability, comfortable, and over just a great package. I am excited for the next hundreds of thousands of miles on this bike and I would not hesitate to tell anyone to buy this bike as its just that good.

The Multi is still in the garage for a reason, the bike is raw machine, unrestricted in any way. The Tenere is an Angel but the Ducati brings out the Devil in me, makes me want to try lane splitting and wheelie through the neighborhood. Once I get around to trying a Power Commander on the Tenere things may change but for now the Ducati stays.

I am going to go ride some more before the sun goes away. bye!

joe
 

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Excellent comparison by all that have the advantage of being able to compare the Multi vs S10. The differences in views, is representative of what is so great about motorcycles, the range available to all of us that have a two wheeled aversion is generally well catered for, and generally doesn't cost us an arm and a leg, usually just one or the other.
But...
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Boostedxt said:
...If you are 5'2 and 100 pounds soaking wet in a white t-shirt and bikini bottom, your feelings may differ. However photo proof is required...
joe
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Great review and comments Joe! I have never been on a Multi, but you are right on the money on the SuperT!!

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Just for clarification, I believe Joe is comparing a 2009 1000cc Multi to the S10. The 1200cc Multi, which I believe was brought out in 2010 was a major upgrade. I test rode the 1200 when it came out and was pretty well blown away with that engine and the electronically adjustable Ohlins suspension on the touring model I rode. I was tempted, but the $20k+ price range, chain drive and a few other items brought me back to reality.

Love my Super Tenere.
 

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I've got two buddies with the new 1200 MTS Ducs and they are brilliant, beautiful bikes. Main issue is, the local Ducati dealer just went tits up. I'm sure someone else will step up but I wouldn't want to deal with the sketchy dealer issue. My Yam guy has been in business over 40 years here and my Y brand bikes rarely need service anyway. I'm not much of a tinkerer and to have paid big bucks for a bike and then have it be maintenance intensive AND have a dodgy "here today gone tomorrow" dealer is more hassle than I want. Long live the "ride it hard and put it up wet" brand Y.
 

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My January Motorcycle Consumers News just came.

There is a six page performance specs section on each of their test bikes over the years

There are only twenty five bIke's that got five star ratings out of over four hundred tested

S10, duc mts & BMW gs were each 5 star.

Edit: Ducati multistrada only had 4 stars...
 

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The Super Tenere is exactly the bike Yamaha designed it to be, a tough, reliable, do it all bike that should last a very long time with minimal maintenance. The Ducati is an Italian exotic that looks really good and feels really good but it comes with a pretty hefty price and reliability might be an issue.
Still ... if I could own two bikes, there would be a red Ducati Multistrada parked next to my ST.
Now, where's that winning lottery ticket?
 
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