1200 gs lc or 1200 tenere es

[bmsouls]

Hi,new to forum today and need some opinions please,i have been a mega GS fan for years have had all the models over the years,but my latest one now a year old!! has corrosion issues.I reported it last year at my 600 mile service but was told its not to bad see what happens next few months.The bike has been in a bone dry garage all winter plus i am anal about cleaning it,on further investigations i have noticed more blemishes in the engine cases I have taken close up photos and sent them to dealer who said he would open a case with BM,but again said it didnt look to bad the bike only has 1200 miles on it.the reason for my thread is to ask advice on buying a tenere es i have rode one for about twenty miles very nice to ride not as torquey as BM and feels a bit vibey.I will know this week if BM are going to do anything if not bike is gone,and tenere looks the best bet any advice welcome. ::009::

 

[ace50]

Are you near the coastline? When I lived near the ocean, my cars and stuff rusted a lot.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Welcome aboard- We have a lot of owners who came from the Bimmer side and this has been asked repeatedly. Most will talk about wanting better reliability and some about better value. I'm not putting down your question, just offering that if you use the search function from the home page you will find a lot of repetition in what folks say.

You'll also find BMW bashing and some closed threads. It's a Yamaha forum and so people have a vested interest here, just like in any model specific forum. We encourage addressing people's arguments and having a good time, but draw the line at attacking the person.

 

[barkingllizard]

 

[Defekticon]

I think the amount of sport touring GS adventure riders will end up on s1000 XR's and the GS fandom will dwindle away. The S10 is the better bike. I'm assuming you asked us because that's the answer you were looking for

 

[TXTenere]

FWIW, there have been numerous complaints of the Super Tenere showing areas of corrosion as well (mostly the spokes, but also other areas have been reported). So I'd suggest looking into this issue before jumping over to this side on the premise of the corrosion issues being better or non-existent with Yamaha.

 

[Bryce]

FWIW, there have been numerous complaints of the Super Tenere showing areas of corrosion as well (mostly the spokes, but also other areas have been reported). So I'd suggest looking into this issue before jumping over to this side on the premise of the corrosion issues being better or non-existent with Yamaha.

the other place that people have been finding corrosion is in the hole where the rubber plugs go in the frame under the front of the tank. checked mine the other day, and it's fine though. Not a reason to jump bikes if it's just a bit of surface rust on the GS.. now if shit's rusting through, well, that's another story.

lots of GS v S10 threads to read with out starting this up again though. ::002::

 

[shrekonwheels]

FWIW, there have been numerous complaints of the Super Tenere showing areas of corrosion as well (mostly the spokes, but also other areas have been reported). So I'd suggest looking into this issue before jumping over to this side on the premise of the corrosion issues being better or non-existent with Yamaha.

No kidding, you would think people would know corrosion can occure in spokes which are constantly subjected to the elements, especially in coastal areas.


As for thinking of the BMW, if you are not loaded, why on earth would he even consider it? Take the few grand in savings, be smart and use it to go touring.

 

[TheHelios]

My bike sits outside through all weather and I'm near Boca Raton, FL, so I'm only a couple miles from the ocean, and the only rust I ever get is on the brake rotors and that's only if I haven't ridden in a couple days. No rust to be seen anywhere else.

One of the biggest cons I can see for the S10 is the resale value. It's not going to get you anywhere close to the resale value a GS keeps. I've accepted that if I ever plan on selling my S10, I'm going to get way less than what I paid for. If resale isn't a big factor for you, then the S10 can provide a ton of value for the money.

 

[Dogdaze]

Your money your choice! ::008:: Go buy a GS, when the front belt housing corrodes as well as the FD, the BMW dealer will say, "They all do that Sir", as if that's reason enough. We'll see you here in a couple of years.

 

[stomp347]

ES....some good deals out there. Enjoy whatever you decide.

 

[Defekticon]

My bike sits outside through all weather and I'm near Boca Raton, FL, so I'm only a couple miles from the ocean, and the only rust I ever get is on the brake rotors and that's only if I haven't ridden in a couple days. No rust to be seen anywhere else.

One of the biggest cons I can see for the S10 is the resale value. It's not going to get you anywhere close to the resale value a GS keeps. I've accepted that if I ever plan on selling my S10, I'm going to get way less than what I paid for. If resale isn't a big factor for you, then the S10 can provide a ton of value for the money.

I'd agree with that statement if you're paying MSRP off the floor for an S10. But really there are so many deals to be had out there. It doesn't sell well because no one knows what it is, so hold over models are in dealer stock at 4-5000 under MSRP. If you do a little shopping you can avoid the resale burn. Also, I think the 12/13's get it waaay worse that the 14 and 15 models. To point out how poorly recognizable the S10 is, I get stopped all the time at gas stations and everyone says "Oh that looks awesome... What is it?". Some guy in TN asked me if it was a Hondaka. A HONDAKA. A company that hasn't existed since 1978. The Yamaha Tuning fork emblem isn't a well known symbol in the US and the only place the bike says Yamaha on it is on the side of the muffler which is covered by cases/luggage.

Everyone recognizes a BMW propeller.

 

[Checkswrecks]

One of the biggest cons I can see for the S10 is the resale value. It's not going to get you anywhere close to the resale value a GS keeps. I've accepted that if I ever plan on selling my S10, I'm going to get way less than what I paid for. If resale isn't a big factor for you, then the S10 can provide a ton of value for the money.

You need to look at cost of ownership, not just re-sale cost. I was in the 2011 pre-purchase for the initial bikes and think we bought at $11,995. Clearly Yamaha North America ordered too many of the Gen1 bikes and the system is still working to move them. For new buyers it's a screaming value since CycleTrader is showing brand new 2013s for less than $9,000, yet few original 2012s are re-selling used for less than $7,000. The 2014/2015 bikes are starting a bit less than $11,000 brand new for non-ES.


Meanwhile the least expensive still-new 2015 R1200GS bikes start at $16,175 and the 2012 used bikes are as low as $9,600 with a fair number between $10-11,000.
Sorry, but to me the value isn't there.


And I still prefer the engine/transmission of the Yamaha over the opposed twin.

 

[Rasher]

If you want a large capacity adventure bike there is a lot of choice.

If you want shaft drive there are far fewer options

If you want reliability and low running costs then this is the only game in town ::008::

Depreciation is not an issue, S10's (in the UK at least) can always be found at great prices (new or used) When the list price was £12k I was offered new bikes for £10,500 and paid £9400 for an ex demo with just 149 miles on it, have seen leftover new bikes for under £10k since.

I reckon I have lost about £4k in 4 years, could have bought a new GS of similar spec for about £13,500 at the time - reckon that would have lost a lot more value by now.

Buy smart and your winning on every level except outright speed, but if you want a fast bike there are other classes of bike that do that far better anyway.

 

[bmsouls]

Thanks for all the replys,the corrosion is in the coating on the engine, gearbox ,shaft housing and diff ,if you go on internet its a well talked about subject,i am still waiting a week later for a reply as to if they are going to do anything

 

[shrekonwheels]

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One of the biggest cons I can see for the S10 is the resale value. It's not going to get you anywhere close to the resale value a GS keeps. I've accepted that if I ever plan on selling my S10, I'm going to get way less than what I paid for. If resale isn't a big factor for you, then the S10 can provide a ton of value for the money.

i did the math on a thread which got removed, essentially you lose slightly more percentage however monitary still ends up better with the S10

 

[eemsreno]

Look what I went riding on today.

It was a nice bike.
I didn't think the low end torque is near what my bike has. It did not feel capable of pulling Michelle and I over Imogene Pass at 12 mph like the Tenere.
It revs way up there and is plenty fast if you like reving your bikes out.
Had a nice ride and wind management.

 

[Checkswrecks]

No denying that they are nice bikes. But like the two FJRs I previously owned or so many other bikes, it's just not for me.

 

[Rasher]

Thanks for all the replys,the corrosion is in the coating on the engine, gearbox ,shaft housing and diff ,if you go on internet its a well talked about subject,i am still waiting a week later for a reply as to if they are going to do anything

I know a guy who had one with this problem, while he was pursuing BMW for a new engine as he thought it was that bad the gearbox decided it wanted some fresh air and solved the problem by punching a big hole in the cases.

I have heard internet stories of other engines destroying themselves in a similar manner so you may get lucky

 

[bmsouls]

That would sort it?? still no news today 1.4.16, to be honest its not mega bad but for £12,000 it shouldnt be there and the longer i wait the more i will stick to my guns.Back to tenere i have been to two dealers today nobody has a gray one in to look at,one of them had a silver one with the blue wheels and forks but its not my cup of tea,neither of them had demos.Also one of them said he didnt/wouldnt take gs part ex bit scary that!!