Weird MPG issue

RCinNC

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I have a 2014 non ES Super Tenere with 44,700 miles.

I've never kept accurate track of my MPG, other than the computer on the bike that provides the average MPG. My computer ordinarily read in the vicinity of 44 MPG average. On the fuel gauge, I consistently would ride just at 75 miles when the first bar disappeared.

On February 2 I replaced the original battery on the bike. After replacing it, I happened to notice that the average MPG on the computer was showing substantially lower than normal; in the low 30's. I attributed that to the removal of the battery, and thought that the computer might have to re-establish some sort of baseline. Gradually the MPG began climbing back to where it normally was; it got as high as 43.8 MPG, but then began to drop back again. The average on the computer now reads 42.6 MPG. In addition, I noticed that the first bar on the fuel gauge started disappearing at around 60-65 miles, rather than the previous 75. I figured I'd let it go for a bit and see if it settled back to normal.

On February 28th I replaced the spark plugs. One of them had been corroded from water intrusion, so I decided to just replace the four of them. I checked and set the gap before they were installed.

On March 1st I synchronized the throttle bodies.

On March 15th I figured I'd check the actual MPG after I got fuel, and the math worked out to 39.6 MPG.

On March 18th I changed the air filter and again synchronized the throttle bodies. I would note that, on this occasion, I reset the standard throttle body airscrew back to it's factory original setting (fully closed) and then opened the screw a half turn,

Today I checked the MPG again after a fuel stop, and it worked out to 35.9 MPG. The first fuel bar went off today at 61 miles.

The problem is that I don't have an actual baseline to refer to before and after the battery change, since I was never in the habit of checking the actual fuel use. The only thing I can say that changed is that the first fuel bar now disappears a lot sooner than it did before the battery change. I can't imagine anything I did that related to changing the battery would have anything to do with fuel consumption, and I noticed the fuel consumption issue before I did any of the maintenance described above. The bike appears to be running normally; power delivery is the same as usual, and it idles the way it's supposed to. I've been using 93 Octane fuel, and the last two stops were at different stations. Based on the fuel gauge, it's seems that I'm using more fuel than before the battery change. Any suggestions from people more knowledgeable than I what might be going on here?
 

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What was the old battery and what is the new battery? Brand and model please.

Have you checked the dark current load? You won't have a base line for before, but it may point to something going on now.
 

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Coincidentally, after I posted that, I was doing some online research and found that a new battery could be behind the lowered MPG, but for that to happen the replacement battery would have to be a lower capacity one than what the system was designed for. The original battery was the OEM Yuasa YTZ12S. The new one is a Super Start Platinum AGM YTZ14S (the Super Start brand is sold at O'Reilly Auto). The Super Start is rated at 210CCA, the same as the OEM YTZ12S. It's also rated at 11.2 amp/hours; Yuasa's website says the OEM YTZ12S is rated for 11 amp/hours. I haven't checked the dark current load, mainly because I don't know what that is LOL.

Edit: Ah, you mean parasitic load....I'd never heard the term "dark current" before, but I found it on the net.
 

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Winter grade fuel gives less mileage. Also cold weather riding gives poorer mpg. Installing a new battery resets the average mpg and since it is winter with poorer mpg, the average is going to be low.
 

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2daMax said:
Winter grade fuel gives less mileage. Also cold weather riding gives poorer mpg....

I don't KNOW if the winter grade causes less mileage, but I DO know that cooler/denser air requires more fuel to maintain the proper mixture. I have also notice that when operating below 45*F, ish, my bike idles higher; 1500rpm, as if the "choke" was still on. My mileage, per readout, dropped from low 40s to upper 30s. Once the temp went back up, so did the mileage.
 

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I've read that before, that colder denser air requires more fuel to maintain the proper fuel air ratio, so your fuel consumption goes up in the winter. I just didn't figure that the temperatures we have around here would have made that significant a difference. It's normally in the mid forties to the low 60's around here since i switched out the battery. Summertime temps are usually 80's to 90's. Going by the numbers I figured out yesterday, my mileage dropped around 7 mpg from normal.

I did check the air pressure yesterday, and found that the back tire was about four pounds low.
 

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Winter gas will give worse mpg. I see it in my cars, where I record each tank of gas and the mpg. It shows up right after the fuel blend changes, and then rebounds in the spring.

As far as what your S10 is showing, if your mpg is a long term average and not specific to a tank fill, then the battery reset is simply showing an average over a shorter time scale. A more accurate way to do it is manually record or at least calculate the miles from the last fill up and the gallons purchased. You need to fill it up to the same level each time to get a comparison.

The other issue with winter driving however, is simply colder temperatures. There are two effects. First, engine and gear oil are colder to start and have higher viscosity than at warmer temps. So you have more resistance for longer than in warmer weather. Second, a colder engine and air temp means it's operating in the warm-up state for longer. That means it's a richer fuel mixture. If you do more short trips in the winter, you are spending relatively more time in that enriched state than in warmer weather.

Overall, I wouldn't worry about it, but monitor how things change as the weather warms up. Dollars to doughnuts, your mpg reverts to something more typical. If not, then dig further. ::021::

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That's pretty much what I'm going to do; monitor it and see what happens. Allegedly, spring is here, which traditionally means warm weather is coming (though you'd never know it, even here in the South). I've already done the usual things that are recommended when mpg drops; the plugs are new, the air filter is new, and I'm going to run some Seafoam or Techron through it to clean out the injectors. If it was running like crap I'd at least have some indicator of where the issue was, but everything is normal.

I know that replacing the battery with one that has a lower capacity and cranking amperage can cause a drop in mpg, but the one I stuck in there mirrors the specs of the OEM one. I guess it's still possible that the battery is behind it, but I haven't noticed anything unusual about it; the bike turns over immediately when I hit the starter. There's no lag or hesitation; in fact, it cranks harder than the Yuasa did at the end of its life. Because of crappy weather here lately, the bike will sometimes sit for several days without being ridden. If there was a parasitic draw, I figured the battery would either be dead after a few days, or at least noticeably depleted. That hasn't been the case.

I don't discount the stuff about winter temps; I knew that cold air is denser, and requires more fuel to maintain the proper air/fuel ration. It's just something that in three previous winters of riding, I've never noticed before. I've always been in the habit of glancing at the trip meter when the first fuel bar disappears, and in previous years I never noticed that it never varied enough from 75 miles that it got my attention. I won't say it's impossible that it happened and I didn't notice it, but it's just something I think I would have caught if it was happening before. I figure I've lost something along the lines of 7 mpg; does that sound reasonable when considering winter temps?

I do appreciate the input from everyone. I'm grateful that the problem isn't something really serious. Weird things like this get under my skin, though, and I probably spend too much time trying to figure it out rather than just saying "screw it".
 

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RCinNC said:
I do appreciate the input from everyone. I'm grateful that the problem isn't something really serious. Weird things like this get under my skin, though, and I probably spend too much time trying to figure it out rather than just saying "screw it".
Hey RC, with the cost of fuel in the US being reasonable, I would say, 'screw it'. If you were in my shoes ($1.75 per litre) then I'd worry a little more ::001::
 

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I hear ya, Dogdaze...though whether I was in the US or Switzerland, I'd be in the same boat: I still wouldn't know the cause LOL.

I remember when I lived in Germany in the 80's. When I first got there and saw a gas station with the price in Marks, I thought "what's everyone complaining about? When you convert to dollars, that's a better price that we had in the States." Then someone reminded me about the metric system and liters.
 

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Calculate your mpg at the pump, the computer display is not accurate. I'm not confident that first bar on guage is accurate either.

I plug in all my fuel use. On long trips I combine fill ups to reduce entries. I know exactly why my consumption is what it is. Tires, panniers, loaded, passenger, mph, right wrist, brakes, terrain, wind, etc. It all has an affect. I could get 60 mpg on every fill up, but I don't want to. I ride for maximum pleasure, not willing to sacrifice even a single grin.

Head explody data here for >100K miles.


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I have calculated it at the pump; that's how I arrived at the two figures of 39.6 mpg and 35.9 mpg. The accuracy of the fuel gauge or mpg computer wasn't the issue, as long as it was consistent. Even if the gauge was off by a couple of percentage points, that didn't matter. What tipped me off that the mpg had changed was that the gauge, which had always given consistent (not necessarily accurate) readings in the past was now telling me something different.

I don't care about the mpg in and of itself; I don't keep track of it, or brag about it, or try and increase it. I only care about it as a possible indicator that something was off with the bike. I'm only tracking it now to monitor the issue and see if it goes back to what it used to be. If it does, I'll go back to not paying attention to it any more.
 

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RCinNC said:
....It's normally in the mid forties to the low 60's around here....

Yeah, that's what passes for a normal winter around here too. (and I love it) I didn't even notice my rpms were running a little high until I noticed the fuel mileage drop; and started to look into why. I don't use the first fuel bar drop off as an indicator since I don't think that I'm very consistent at filling the tank to the same level each time. I had taken it in to have the tech check it out; no codes & running perfect was his diagnosis. Good enough for me. I know what you mean though about weird little things that get under your skin. We're just going to have to follow the advise of "ride more, worry less". ::001::
 

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RCinNC said:
I have calculated it at the pump; that's how I arrived at the two figures of 39.6 mpg and 35.9 mpg.
Aah didn't see that. I was cruising on I-10 when I posted and didn't read post thoroughly.


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I don't care about the mpg in and of itself; I don't keep track of it, or brag about it, or try and increase it. I only care about it as a possible indicator that something was off with the bike.
Exactly why I track mine. If mpg changes without reason I'll investigate. Once returning home after a long trip I noticed my last tank dropped 25% mpg. I went out to the garage and discovered my rear tire at 18 psi.

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That gave me a shiver. I ALWAYS check the pressure before riding. Over the years I've become paranoid about tire pressure; even in my car(s). Five pounds low makes a difference in the handling of cars; bikes are even more critical. TPMS is fantastic. ::001::
 

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SilverBullet said:
Calculate your mpg at the pump, the computer display is not accurate. I'm not confident that first bar on guage is accurate either.

I plug in all my fuel use. On long trips I combine fill ups to reduce entries. I know exactly why my consumption is what it is. Tires, panniers, loaded, passenger, mph, right wrist, brakes, terrain, wind, etc. It all has an affect. I could get 60 mpg on every fill up, but I don't want to. I ride for maximum pleasure, not willing to sacrifice even a single grin.

Head explody data here for >100K miles.


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Your mpg dropped by 10% recently...
 
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