Super Tenere and BMW GS Adventure the same weight in Rider Magazine

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I found it interesting that the ST and BMW 1200 GS adventure when farkled the nearly same (some std and some optional) had an identical wet weight of 628 lbs when fully fueled and nearly identical power in the compareson test in the Jan 2012 Rider magazine issue.
 

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terryth said:
I found it interesting that the ST and BMW 1200 GS adventure when farkled the nearly same (some std and some optional) had an identical wet weight of 628 lbs when fully fueled and nearly identical power in the compareson test in the Jan 2012 Rider magazine issue.
Actually, since Mr T's purpose was to directly confront/tackle/steal business from the BMW, it doesn't surprise me.

A known result with a different approach, at less cost. I'm certainly happy with mine. ::26::
 

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I posted the following this morning on ADV:


Having the Yam, I've also been watching the Explorer weight numbers, which we so far only have from the factory. I tend to keep oil in the engine and gas in the tank and don't believe that the 12GS is a full 90 pounds lighter than the Super Tenere, so think the factories can be pretty "optimistic."

The numbers for everything but the Triumph are their CLAIMED dry weight, then for wet, these add the tank capacity at 6 lbs/gal and add 7.5 pounds for a gallon of oil. Triumph gives both dry and wet numbers.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . .. Empty (lbs/ kgs) . with gas & oil

Multistrada . . . . . . . . . 417 / 189 . . . . . 456
1200GS . . . . . . . . . . . 448 / 203 . . . . . 487
DL1000 . . . . . . . . . . . . 456 / 207 . . . . . 498
KTM Adventure . . . . . . 461 / 209 . . . . . 500
1200GSA . . . . . . . . . . 491 / 223 . . . . . 551
1200 Triumph . . . . . . . 534 / 242 . . . . . 570 (Official claim, but calculates to 577)
Super Tenere: . . . . . . . 538 / 244 . . . . . 575

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[font=verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif][/size]It was interesting to have a Multistrada owner reply that his actual weight with a full tank is 520#, not what is above.[/font]
 

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My multi 1200 weighed 490 with 2 gallons, and the ST the same day with no farkels and 2 gallons was 542. The multi is very light feeling to move around compared to the ST but on the road, I don't notice it that much. Multi12 is gone by the way.
 

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Keep in mind that BMW's "dry weight" is pretty much a fictitious number and doesn't include ABS and other options that are standard on the S10 and other bikes. (There is no way to get from BMW's 448 lb dry weight to their published 504 wet weight with fuel and oil, so the dry weight probably doesn't include things like the battery.) Apples to apples, I believe the S10's weight disadvantage vs. the GS (same equipment) is more like 40-lbs, perhaps a little more.

The S10 and GSA weighing about the same fully-fueled sounds about right. Of course, the GSA has almost 3 extra gallons of fuel capacity, so fuel the GSA with the S10's 6-gal and it would be 15 or so lbs lighter.

To my mind, the S10 and GSA feel very similar in size and weight.

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The guy that measured a few bikes found that on his scales (and I assume the scales didn't change much in the half hour he was swapping bikes) found that the GSA and S10 with the same amount of fuel were within a 1/4 kilo of each other.

I don't know why the numbers vary so much from around the place, but the S10 is more GSA if you look at it than GS.

I am yet to get confirmation from more than one source, but the GSA is supposed to have a beefier frame than the GS.

And as far as the Triumph 1200 is concerned, I would believe it weighs more or similar to the S10.

The weights for the 800's were a bit optimistic, so I assume the same applies to the 1200.
 

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I had a GSA until this bike and as soon as I drove the ST, it felt much lighter and easier to handle in the twisties than the GSA, oh, and I was absolutely impressed with the acceleration.
 

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terryth said:
I found it interesting that the ST and BMW 1200 GS adventure when farkled the nearly same (some std and some optional) had an identical wet weight of 628 lbs when fully fueled and nearly identical power in the compareson test in the Jan 2012 Rider magazine issue.
Might we presume that the BM won the comparo?
 

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Rider really stuck their necks out on that call? Guess they don't want to loose ad bucks from anyone!
 

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fredz43 said:
Same thing Motorcycle Consumer News said and they don't have any advertising.
I read and subscribe to MCN and they choose the BM unequivocally, so not the same thing as what was said about the Rider article above (I have yet to read it).
 

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I read and subscribe to MCN and they choose the BM unequivocally, so not the same thing as what was said about the Rider article above (I have yet to read it).
Yes, you are correct, that is how the overall is stated in the writeup, but in the end they contradict that as both received 5 star overall ratings, which to me is a tie, not an unequivocal win to the GS. A few of their ratings raise questions in my mind, however. Take the Riding Impression, and the Pavement and Chassis and Handling categories, both they say are a tie, and then say the S10 is first on pavement and for off road the GS is first. Since these bikes will be ridden on the pavement much more than off road, how can that be a tie? Seems more like 80/20 to the S10.

The final paragraph where they say "If you're a value minded rider who incorporates more strasse than gelande in your Adventure Touring, the Super Tenere might be the machine for you." tells me they can't deny that it is the best for almost all adventure touring riders, who naturally do more road than off road, but they can't come to give this newcomer the total nod. Their subjective summary does indeed favor the GS, yet their individual category ratings, as questionable as they may seem, still come up with 5 stars for them both.

Dave Searle's Tester's Log certainly does lean toward the GS and then I look at his editorial on page 2 and see him on his personal GS, so I think I understand.

Rider ends ther article by saying: "Honestly, as tested these bikes are so evenly matched that the decision comes down to preference more than performance, personality more than price."

Fair enough, I guess. BTW Rider used the GSA for their comapro instead of the standard GS.
 

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fredz43 said:
Yes, you are correct, that is how the overall is stated in the writeup, but in the end they contradict that as both received 5 star overall ratings, which to me is a tie, not an unequivocal win to the GS. A few of their ratings raise questions in my mind, however. Take the Riding Impression, and the Pavement and Chassis and Handling categories, both they say are a tie, and then say the S10 is first on pavement and for off road the GS is first. Since these bikes will be ridden on the pavement much more than off road, how can that be a tie? Seems more like 80/20 to the S10.

The final paragraph where they say "If you're a value minded rider who incorporates more strasse than gelande in your Adventure Touring, the Super Tenere might be the machine for you." tells me they can't deny that it is the best for almost all adventure touring riders, who naturally do more road than off road, but they can't come to give this newcomer the total nod. Their subjective summary does indeed favor the GS, yet their individual category ratings, as questionable as they may seem, still come up with 5 stars for them both.

Dave Searle's Tester's Log certainly does lean toward the GS and then I look at his editorial on page 2 and see him on his personal GS, so I think I understand.

Rider ends ther article by saying: "Honestly, as tested these bikes are so evenly matched that the decision comes down to preference more than performance, personality more than price."

Fair enough, I guess. BTW Rider used the GSA for their comapro instead of the standard GS.
All true, but in the end they decided to have a winner and the GS won. Disagree with the assessment or scoring if you like, but in the end, you can't spin a loss into a tie.

- Mark
 

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markjenn said:
All true, but in the end they decided to have a winner and the GS won. Disagree with the assessment or scoring if you like, but in the end, you can't spin a loss into a tie.

- Mark
Fair enough.

In my way of thinking, in a comparison test, if one bike is considered a "winner", the test should show why. I don't believe that MCN's test showed anything other than the editor's preference for the GS.

I think these two quotes say quite a bit:

1. "This was one of the closest contests in MCN history." (MCN)
2. "In fact, of all the comparison tests we've worked on, none was a tougher call to make than this one." (Rider)

Still a tie in my (prejudiced) opinion. :)
 

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fredz43 said:
Fair enough.

In my way of thinking, in a comparison test, if one bike is considered a "winner", the test should show why. I don't believe that MCN's test showed anything other than the editor's preference for the GS.

I think these two quotes say quite a bit:

1. "This was one of the closest contests in MCN history." (MCN)
2. "In fact, of all the comparison tests we've worked on, none was a tougher call to make than this one." (Rider)

Still a tie in my (prejudiced) opinion. :)
They are so close, just choose what you like. Is it that important to everyone to have a to prove why you bought it?

I will look at the s10 as the least likely to leave me screwed and the $7000.00 saving helps too.

If I had that much money that a few magazine articles would make the $7000.00 difference then I would probably just design my own bike and get it custom made.
 

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Re: Re: Super Tenere and BMW GS Adventure the same weight in Rider Magazine

fredz43 said:
Fair enough.

In my way of thinking, in a comparison test, if one bike is considered a "winner", the test should show why. I don't believe that MCN's test showed anything other than the editor's preference for the GS.

I think these two quotes say quite a bit:

1. "This was one of the closest contests in MCN history." (MCN)
2. "In fact, of all the comparison tests we've worked on, none was a tougher call to make than this one." (Rider)

Still a tie in my (prejudiced) opinion. :)
Considering the umfactored and even unmention, but important category of reiabilty, I know who MY winner is.
 
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