K&N Air Filter

[Sierra1]

Interesting there is an engineering guy that did tests on stock versus kn filter and on 154 hp and gained something like 4 hp with kn filter and 4 false torque

I think that the statement: "K&N flows more air" is truthful. (and maybe a little more dirt too) But like he said, the throttle body can only flow so much air. If you want/need more air to the engine, you must replace the throttle body with a larger one.

And then, if you're puting more air into a motor, getting it out is just as important. That's where the entire exhaust system come into play.

So, the HP/TQ claims might be absolutely truthful, but not the entire story.

 

[Sierra1]

EBC have pulled the same stunt with their advertising. What are actually budget brake pads are now highly regarded by many

Man, you have that right. A whole lot of EBC Kool-Aid has been drank.

 

[OldRider]

Little did I know. I've sold 1000+ sets of EBC brake pads with great success and now I find out I should have looked on the internet for their true quality.

 

[Sierra1]

That's one of the reasons that lead me to just stick with OE on everything.

 

[RCinNC]

OK, I'm game. What makes EBC brake pads worthy of scorn? I've literally never heard anything like this before.

 

[Sierra1]

My story isn't so much anti-EBC as more pro-OE. If the pad is not compatible with the rotor, the brakes don't work as designed by the manufacturer. The ST I rode went through OE pads every 5k miles. They installed a set of EBCs to save money, I guess. The first time I got them real hot, they didn't work so well. Back to OE.

I put of set of semi-metallic pads on my truck, and within 3k miles they had destroyed the rotors. Come to find out OE was ceramic. Back to OE.

 

[RCinNC]

I'm with you on the EBC pad on an OEM rotor, though my opinion isn't based on anything except a single experience, and I wasn't taking careful measurements to determine the difference in wear between the OEM and the EBC. It seemed like the EBC pad wore a lip into the outer edge of the rotor after a fairly short time after installation, but without actual measurements, it's tough to say. I didn't try the experiment again, since the reason I had the EBC pads on in the first place was that the OEM ones were unavailable. I don't recall any significant difference in performance between OEM and the EBC pads; both seemed to work fine.

I've never encountered "EBC Hype" on line, the way you encounter devoted acolytes of Amsoil. Some guys seem to like them, some don't, but it doesn't seem like a big point of contention. I'm just wondering what pushes them into the category of "budget pad kool-ade". What makes them a budget pad, in comparison to something like a pad made by Galfer?

 

[Longdog Cymru]

EBC have pulled the same stunt with their advertising. What are actually budget brake pads are now highly regarded by many


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Sorry, but I can’t agree with you. OK, so EBC brake pads may not be premium products, (if not, then please let me know what are), but I have used EBC HH pads in a variety of bikes braking systems and each time I have fitted EBC products, it has resulted in, what feels to me at least, as an improvement in feel and performance. Will I continue to use EBC products? Almost certainly! I put my life on the line when I pull the brake lever and I have full confidence in EBC.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . What makes them a budget pad, in comparison to something like a pad made by Galfer?

"I've" never heard of them referred to as budget class. But since it's the English Brake Company, I have to assume that those in the UK have more knowledge and/or experience with them. I do know a lot of guys that swear by them as fanatically as those that do with AMSOIL or any other number of products.

Maybe they're like Harbor Freight. Used to be cheap, and cheaply made. Now? Not so much, in a good way.

 

[Boris]

Sorry, but I can’t agree with you. OK, so EBC brake pads may not be premium products, (if not, then please let me know what are), but I have used EBC HH pads in a variety of bikes braking systems and each time I have fitted EBC products, it has resulted in, what feels to me at least, as an improvement in feel and performance. Will I continue to use EBC products? Almost certainly! I put my life on the line when I pull the brake lever and I have full confidence in EBC.

Completely agree with you.

Also, my bike has had EBC HH in the front for 35k miles and they work just fine. I’m now on my third set. As for disc wear, there’s no noticeable lip/wear whatsoever.
My previous bike had well in excess of 60k miles on it when I sold it, at least 45 on EBC HH, still original discs.

 

[Boris]

EBC have pulled the same stunt with their advertising. What are actually budget brake pads are now highly regarded by many


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Matt, any chance you could expand on your experience of EBC pads on your Super Tenere.

 

[MattR]

Matt, any chance you could expand on your experience of EBC pads on your Super Tenere.

I switched to PFM disks with SBS pads when the OEM disks with EBC pads wore out at about 19k miles. EBC pads expand a lot under braking which means you find yourself braking for a corner and then having to release pressure on the lever half way round the bend. Not ideal. With the set up I have now I can accurately maintain a steady pressure. SBS pads don’t expand as much. But EBC pads also destroyed the disks on my Zx14r so I have also swapped them for PFMs and SBS. But for more info on this talk to Wal at PFM. He supplies several race teams from his shop in the Isle of Man and was friends with the guy who started up EBC in the beginning. He said they always were a budget pad, just cleverly marketed


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[Boris]

I switched to PFM disks with SBS pads when the OEM disks with EBC pads wore out at about 19k miles. EBC pads expand a lot under braking which means you find yourself braking for a corner and then having to release pressure on the lever half way round the bend. Not ideal. With the set up I have now I can accurately maintain a steady pressure. SBS pads don’t expand as much. But EBC pads also destroyed the disks on my Zx14r so I have also swapped them for PFMs and SBS. But for more info on this talk to Wal at PFM. He supplies several race teams from his shop in the Isle of Man and was friends with the guy who started up EBC in the beginning. He said they always were a budget pad, just cleverly marketed


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Odd, in this thread in post #26 you stated you never have nor would use EBC on your S10.

Worn disks

My rear pads were at 0mm at 40k km, replaced with EBC FA319-2HH which still look great at 70k km's. To be fair, I bought the bike at 30k km's. Front pads are still original, though getting near the end of their life and there is a lip on the rotors. This is my 3rd Yamaha with these same front...

www.yamahasupertenere.com

 

[MattR]

Not really. The bike had EBC pads in it when I got it. The disks were already on the wear limit so I changed the whole set.


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[2aroundtheworld]

When I see a vehicle for sale with a K&N filter, I run away...

 

[Boris]

Not really. The bike had EBC pads in it when I got it. The disks were already on the wear limit so I changed the whole set.


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I’m confused. The screenshot below is the opening post from the same thread. So the EBC were in the bike and you described the brakes as impressive?

 

[WJBertrand]

My rear disk wore out, with a pronounced ridge around the perimeter. This happened using only the OEM pads. In my case it took about 60K for it to wear out, or at least for me to finally replace it. The fronts still show no ridges around the perimeters. I don’t know if this is because the front pads/rotors are different materials or that the swept area of the pads Includes the edge of the disk. I haven’t actually measured them for thickness yet.


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[Sierra1]

The Beemer's backs were the same way. The pads lasted about 11.5K miles. Replaced them every 10K. The front pads got changed at 30 or 40k, can't remember. Front rotors had no ridge. The back one was getting fairly pronounced when it got traded in at 60K.

 

[Cyclops66]

Ran EBC for years offroad hare scrambles enduro mud rain slop. They were no better or worse than OEM... just 1/2 the cost.