Is this battery ok?

[gustojunk]

Hi All,

I need a new battery, mine is from 2012 (when bike was first bought) and it will just not charge anymore. I pulled teh battery out and its a Yuasa YTZ12S. I can only buy that online and it takes a few day sto get here and I need to go away on a trip on Tueday.

Only locally available option with similar specs (same size and 210 Cold Cranking Amps) is this model from batteries plus bulbs:

https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/cylaz12sxta

Is this a decent battery?

thanks!

G

 

[Dogdaze]

Perfectly fine, although, check to see if they have the 14S, as that has a higher cranking AmpH, otherwise what you linked is just fine.

 

[gustojunk]

Perfectly fine, although, check to see if they have the 14S, as that has a higher cranking AmpH, otherwise what you linked is just fine.

Cool! On my way to pick it up, I'll ask if the have the 14S and upgrade to that if they do.

BTW, what's the whole cranking amp? How much power they deliver on startup?


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[Dogdaze]

Cool! On my way to pick it up, I'll ask if the have the 14S and upgrade to that if they do.

BTW, what's the whole cranking amp? How much power they deliver on startup?


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CCA (cold cranking amp) is a rating used in the battery industry to define a battery's ability to start an engine in cold temperatures. It is easier to start an engine in a warm environment than in a cold one. The number of amps a 12-volt battery can deliver at 0°F for 30 seconds while maintaining a voltage of at least 7.2 volts. The higher the CCA rating, the greater the starting power of the battery.

 

[EricV]

You might as well look for a YTZ14S to begin with. More CCAs and a heavier battery in the same exact size case and terminal configuration. Many, including myself, have gone this route. The Extreme AGM batteries seem to have a decent rep. I did find one Amazon review that said the owner only got 2 years out of the battery before it would no longer hold a charge, but one review doesn't really tell you much. Most of the reviews were from less than a year of ownership, so hard to judge.

 

[tomatocity]

If you were local I would give you my two year old YTZ12S that I swapped out for a YTZ14S.

 

[gustojunk]

CCA (cold cranking amp) is a rating used in the battery industry to define a battery's ability to start an engine in cold temperatures. It is easier to start an engine in a warm environment than in a cold one. The number of amps a 12-volt battery can deliver at 0°F for 30 seconds while maintaining a voltage of at least 7.2 volts. The higher the CCA rating, the greater the starting power of the battery.

thanks for the explanation of why it matters. I ended up getting the Xtreme AGM Z14S, instead of the 12S I had originally found. The bike is happy to start and ride again.

 

[gustojunk]

You might as well look for a YTZ14S to begin with. ...

Yeah that was my original goal, but I could not find it locally and I'm heading out of town tomorrow for Dirtdaze ::012:: (https://dirtdazerally.com/). I'm always surprised how little local inventory of bike stuff (parts, tires, gear) I can find around Boston.

 

[EricV]

Glad you got it sorted. Try finding parts or a battery in a really small town! If I go two cities over, I might get lucky, but usually it's a 300 mile round trip to Las Vegas to find things or the internet.

Ride and have fun at the event! ::012::

 

[OldRider]

Batteries are like a box of chocolates, they're not all the same inside. There's a reason one YTZ battery cost $50 more than another YTZ battery. I've seen several different brands of batteries sawed in half and there is a huge difference in the thickness of the cells and the way they are put together. Not saying you can't get by with a cheaper version, but you're almost always going to have a better long term experince with a better battery. I've been selling MC batteries for 40+ years and the only brand I carry is Yuasa. A lot of cheaper brands come with the same warranty as a Yuasa and you will end up using it a lot more. And yes, Yuasa makes a lot of the cheap batteries, but they're not made to the same specs as the Yuasa branded battery.

 

[RCinNC]

I'm contemplating making this swap myself right now, from an OEM Yuasa YTZ12S to and Extreme AGM YTZ14S. I have zero experience with AGM batteries in general, but what I've found on line seems to suggest that the AGM style batteries require a special kind of charger. Can anyone with experience in this area tell me a specific model of battery charger that is compatible with the AGM battery?

Has anyone here had any experiences with the AGM Extreme brand that they'd care to relate?

I know this is an old thread, but it seemed silly to start a new discussion when a thread already exists covering this same ground.

 

[2daMax]

Ditto on the 14S if available. To make it last really long, put in a tender during your down time. I use a solar charger and it keeps the voltage high all the time.

 

[Kevhunts]

Hi All,

I need a new battery, mine is from 2012 (when bike was first bought) and it will just not charge anymore. I pulled teh battery out and its a Yuasa YTZ12S. I can only buy that online and it takes a few day sto get here and I need to go away on a trip on Tueday.

Only locally available option with similar specs (same size and 210 Cold Cranking Amps) is this model from batteries plus bulbs:

https://www.batteriesplus.com/productdetails/cylaz12sxta

Is this a decent battery?

thanks!

G

Check these folks out. I spent the extra coin for a Stinger battery. It gave my S10 a more "authorative crank" than the stock battery and is now doing double duty in another bike of mine.

https://www.batterystuff.com/search.html?q=YTZ12S

 

[Checkswrecks]

I'm contemplating making this swap myself right now, from an OEM Yuasa YTZ12S to and Extreme AGM YTZ14S. I have zero experience with AGM batteries in general, but what I've found on line seems to suggest that the AGM style batteries require a special kind of charger. Can anyone with experience in this area tell me a specific model of battery charger that is compatible with the AGM battery?

Has anyone here had any experiences with the AGM Extreme brand that they'd care to relate?

I know this is an old thread, but it seemed silly to start a new discussion when a thread already exists covering this same ground.

You already have experience, because the OEM battery was AGM and you'll only be able to buy an AGM or lithium for our bikes because of the orientation.


The big thing for both AGM and li-ion is to not overcharge either. A lot of the old chargers would not reduce charge once a battery was charged, but the newer chargers mostly do. Whatever battery you buy, simply go to the manufacturer's web-site to see what they say about:
1. Max charge voltage
2. Chargers which can de-sulfate (It can badly damage some battery types)
3. Charge reduction when full or on float.


You'll probably find that most any decent newer charger will work fine.


I argue against li-ion in these bikes and the Stinger is one. Yes, li-ion has a great discharge which will give nicely spin the starter and li-ion can hold a charge forever IF there are no parasitic drains. The couple of lbs difference is meaningless in a nearly 600 lb machine and beyond that they have more negatives than plusses. Our bikes do have a parasitic drain when sitting and leaving a li-ion on a (li-ion) trickle charger shortens it's life for a couple of reasons. Li-ion has a limited number of charge/discharge cycles and loses efficiency when kept at 90-100% charge. If a li-ion goes deep discharge (you let the parasitic drain kill it) it will likely become a very expensive brick or have an extremely short ensuing life. When li-ion goes bad, it goes right NOW, leaving you stuck. etc.

 

[Sierra1]

The Honda ST1300 I rode came with an Odyssey battery, and it lasted three years; stayed on charger when not in use. One day it died, and we needed a replacement quickly. Nobody local carried the Odyssey brand, but there was a Yuasa replacement available. It performed equal to the Odyssey....for a year. It was still working when I stopped riding that bike, but you could hear the slower cranking. So, I can say the Odyssey was a better battery for high load use, but it is a much more expensive battery that not everybody carries.

 

[RCinNC]

You already have experience, because the OEM battery was AGM and you'll only be able to buy an AGM or lithium for our bikes because of the orientation.


The big thing for both AGM and li-ion is to not overcharge either. A lot of the old chargers would not reduce charge once a battery was charged, but the newer chargers mostly do. Whatever battery you buy, simply go to the manufacturer's web-site to see what they say about:
1. Max charge voltage
2. Chargers which can de-sulfate (It can badly damage some battery types)
3. Charge reduction when full or on float.


You'll probably find that most any decent newer charger will work fine.


I argue against li-ion in these bikes and the Stinger is one. Yes, li-ion has a great discharge which will give nicely spin the starter and li-ion can hold a charge forever IF there are no parasitic drains. The couple of lbs difference is meaningless in a nearly 600 lb machine and beyond that they have more negatives than plusses. Our bikes do have a parasitic drain when sitting and leaving a li-ion on a (li-ion) trickle charger shortens it's life for a couple of reasons. Li-ion has a limited number of charge/discharge cycles and loses efficiency when kept at 90-100% charge. If a li-ion goes deep discharge (you let the parasitic drain kill it) it will likely become a very expensive brick or have an extremely short ensuing life. When li-ion goes bad, it goes right NOW, leaving you stuck. etc.

I don't know what I was thinking. I could have sworn I read that the OEM Yuasa was a sealed lead acid battery, but when I went to Yuasa's site to look at it, it describes it as an AGM. Live long enough and you keep learning new things. In three years I've never had to charge it, since it's never sat for more than a week without being ridden, so I don't have either a charger or a tender for it. Can you recommend a specific charger?

I've decided to steer clear of the lithium-ion batteries. I don't see a marked upside over the AGM, and it seems like they have potential issues I don't want to contend with. Still hoping to hear from anyone who has used the Extreme battery, since they have a Batteries Plus not far from me that sells it, for quite a bit less than the Yuasa.

 

[HeliMark]

I don't know what I was thinking. I could have sworn I read that the OEM Yuasa was a sealed lead acid battery, but when I went to Yuasa's site to look at it, it describes it as an AGM. Live long enough and you keep learning new things. In three years I've never had to charge it, since it's never sat for more than a week without being ridden, so I don't have either a charger or a tender for it. Can you recommend a specific charger?

I've decided to steer clear of the lithium-ion batteries. I don't see a marked upside over the AGM, and it seems like they have potential issues I don't want to contend with. Still hoping to hear from anyone who has used the Extreme battery, since they have a Batteries Plus not far from me that sells it, for quite a bit less than the Yuasa.

I have used the small 3 amp Battery Tender for several years. Like you, my bike usually does not go for more than a week without being ridden, and I do not put a charger on it. But if it is going to sit for more than three weeks, I use the battery tender. When I replaced my battery earlier this year with the YTZ14S, I used the battery tender to make sure it was fully charged and went.

Picked mine up at Costco (https://www.costco.com/Battery-Tender-Power-Plus-3-Amp-Charger.product.100241973.html).

Mark

 

[Checkswrecks]

I don't know what I was thinking. I could have sworn I read that the OEM Yuasa was a sealed lead acid battery, but when I went to Yuasa's site to look at it, it describes it as an AGM. Live long enough and you keep learning new things. In three years I've never had to charge it, since it's never sat for more than a week without being ridden, so I don't have either a charger or a tender for it. Can you recommend a specific charger?

I've decided to steer clear of the lithium-ion batteries. I don't see a marked upside over the AGM, and it seems like they have potential issues I don't want to contend with. Still hoping to hear from anyone who has used the Extreme battery, since they have a Batteries Plus not far from me that sells it, for quite a bit less than the Yuasa.

I've also had two of the little Battery Tenders in the garage for a long time, and they make good bigger chargers too. The TecMate/Optimate chargers are a bit more money and I like their clear labeling for what type of battery each is meant for.