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MonstrDude64

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I've been a long time lurker and bought the S10 from LA-Motor last August over here: http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=9098.msg151198#msg151198

I got the welcome but I forgot that I never introduced myself. I have been using the Search feature to find what I needed, so I thought I'd share how my S10 experience has been coming along. Since my purchase, I have added a Seat Concepts seat, Race Tech full suspension (front linear heavy springs/rear shock), Rigid light bar, Dyno-Tune, K60s, Oxford grips, and Cal-Sci screen.

My first bike was a used 2003 Ducati Multistrada 1000DS. I was told by a buddy of similar size that starting out with a great handling bike is like going straight to broadband internet and not knowing what Dial up is. :) I farkled it of course and added a full custom suspension.

I used to live in the valley at that time and I have been fortunate that my commute to work involved 10 miles of a twisty canyons. I had two canyons to choose each work day so I was able to really take advantage what the bike was capable of. Unfortunately, I found out the hard way that I bought a first year model bike and suffered each of those first year problems such as valve guides replacement that required a top end rebuild. It is true when they say Ducati makes mechanics out of riders ::) I even learned how to do the valve adjustments.

I got into an accident one night after a 17 hour workday. It was midnight and I was so tired that I didn't realize how wide I was taking a turn and low sided hard. The bike only had cosmetic damage to fairings and gauge was hanging off. Well, I was still able to ride it home. Something to be said about simple designs and less electronics. I ended up converting it to a streetfighter and rode some more.

I eventually moved and my canyon commute turned into 30+ miles of freeway traffic on the 405. It was time to upgrade my stripped Multi to something with more power and good for two-up. I put many miles on that bike and it was hard to let it go since it was my first and only bike. It was the start of last year, I ended up buying the 2013 LC 1200GS. It had only a two month old manufacturing date when it was delivered and my BMW dealership experience was actually great. I was very reluctant to put that much money down on a first year model but I never bought a new vehicle before. It was always used.

I rode the GS for 3,500mi and ready for my first service until a van cut in front of me onto my lane. It hit my shoulder and I fell off, sliding to the rear tires of a car stuck in traffic. I actually came out ok but the GS front end (Beak and gauges) was smashed. The engine guards saved the rest of the bike... so I thought. After talking with PD, it looked like the bike was capable of taking me home but no chance. I could not turn it on, so I needed a tow.

One thing I was going to mention about my GS was that there were a couple of times I braked hard at a light and the bike would turn off. I wouldn't notice it until the light was green and I wasn't going anywhere. The gauge was blank and my clutch was still pulled in. I had to switch the key a couple of times. I don't know if there was a recall on that as well. I didn't get a chance to ask since I didn't make it to the 2nd service. All I know is that my Ducati MTS had similar damage and it still took me home with a broken gauge. I am just throwing it out there that the extra electronics (digital gauges, electronic suspension) may not be a good thing. My GS was fully loaded.

I was shocked to find out the GS was a total loss. The estimated repairs quote was nearly the cost of the bike. Since parts weren't in stock yet, it took some time to find a quote. Now, I had a second opportunity of a new GS. I got my money back from the insurance but after my experience from 3000 miles, I hesitated and wanted to read more on what was out there.

Another website comparing the GS to the S10 led me to reading the forums and I liked what I heard about this bike. I saw that LA-Motor was selling his S10 and joined this site just to contact him and buy it at almost half the price I paid for the GS. :) I will say that the GS was a very nice bike and grabbed attention from even non riders but I don't think for the price that it is twice as good as the S10. Even though I wanted to, I couldn't picture myself taking it off road. It was like a Porsche Cayenne. The S10 is like a Hummer and I'm just dying to take it off road somewhere. I've gotten a taste of riding a Triumph Explorer on a work trip in the Amazon but it was with the stock tires in the mud so it was an unsettling experience... I had fun but wished it was with the S10.

Sorry for the long story here. I thought I owe something back after lurking for so long and having the answers that many members provided in the Search. I don't think there was a person who came here from the new LC GS and I'm here to tell you that I don't miss it. I think the best mod was the suspension. The drive wasn't that far from RaceTech headquarters so I was able to have it done there and got a military discount. I made my choice based on local support and having them do the setup. The bike already had the ECU 2 flash with Bazzazz and headers but the dyno showed it still had an issue with fueling at cruising speed so the tuning sorted that out.

I hope I can get this right to attach pics
 

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Good to have another SoCal guy on here.

I don't envy your commute on the 405, I drive it often enough. I get to work all over the LA basin, including up to Santa Maria on a regular basis. Only downside is commuting in this thing ::010:: ::010::



Enjoy the Super Tenere, it will be different than your other bikes and wonderful in it's own way.
 

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navynuke said:
Good to have another SoCal guy on here.

I don't envy your commute on the 405, I drive it often enough. I get to work all over the LA basin, including up to Santa Maria on a regular basis. Only downside is commuting in this thing ::010:: ::010::



Enjoy the Super Tenere, it will be different than your other bikes and wonderful in it's own way.
I can imagine many frustrating times in traffic for you. Having the Super Tenere for commuting was the only reason I considered moving to Long Beach when I got married. I can't stand being still in a cage. I am fine moving at a slow pace, but a full STOP on the 405 :mad: forget it.
 

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Great intro, welcome from metro Seattle!

Too bad about the LC GS...beautiful bike, gotta demo it one of these days.

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Welcome! SoCal traffic was what got me on 2 wheels (I used to live in OC, and covered OC, LA, Ventura and SB counties as part of my region).
 

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cosmic said:
Welcome Mdude. Hard to believe that GS was total loss.

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Yeah, I don't know which parts cost the most but it may have to do with the extra electronics ran by that computer in there. The only mark on the engine was the right side valve cover so the crash bars did it's job. The bike was made with tight clearances with attention to detail but I think in order to look pretty, it sacrificed some of the durability of transferring the force of impact to other areas.

I noticed the way the beak was attached further back beyond the gauge. There were also two rigid plastic pieces that looked like support on each side of the beak. Well, it looked like the hit transferred to the tank. I attached a picture to show where the tank cover separated. I am not sure if the gauge was somehow part of the whole structure.

I'm just saying that over engineering the new GS might not have taken into account for those who wish to take it off asphalt... or maybe they did and know they will get more business in parts :mad: I remember how easy it was to change a fog light in my old Toyota vehicle but now in my Infinity, you have to take off the whole bumper to do that.

I see how the S10 blinkers vibrate or have a little bounce in them but I get why they are like that. Something has to give in order not to transfer shock to other areas. I have the quick release Givi Racks and heard some reviews that they are not as strong as others but how strong do I need them? They provide me double duty as rear crash protection, so I look at them as disposable items if the hit is hard enough. If it was hit hard enough to bend, I think it may have saved damage to my rear frame. I'm just thinking from my experience from R/C truggy racing. Certain parts were made to give out so other areas were not compromised. IMHO I think by making the LC GS more street, you may have several areas to look at to solve or fix one problem. The simple design of the Ducati MTS allowed me to ride home after the crash... The LC GS left me stranded and a total loss.

I test rode the new Multi and considered getting it after spending so much time learning the maintenance. It's more advanced now but I'm still upset that Ducati have not changed the design of the plastic tank. Mine had the expansion problem from the ethanol in fuel. I had a replacement and treated with the Cogswell? coating but I am not going into another inevitable problem with a new bike.

What I needed in a new bike was shaft drive because of the miles I accumulate and strong enough for two up. I swayed toward the adventure bikes because I'm 6'4" 230lbs. I swear that some of the pot hole ridden streets around here makes it feel like a car can fall apart and I wanted the bike to handle less than ideal conditions. I don't really care that much on all out horsepower. I care about instant torque because I have to be able to dodge a car making an abrupt move and move RIGHT NOW which is why I keep it in S mode most of the time. I wanted great brakes because I think 60 to 0 time is more important to 0 to 60 in SoCal traffic. When I think of lighter bike parts, it's not to make it faster but to have more final load capacity. Taking 5lbs off of battery weight by switching to LiPo allows 5+lbs of rider weight or more gear. It puts the ratios in my favor.

I plan on taking the RawHyde course to truly take advantage of what the S10 is capable of.
 

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Nice intro, and welcome! Your going to have to do better than sideswiped and have the Tenere slide down the pavement to stop her. You will most likely just snap the peg off, but that is about it. Its a damn tank! So do you think the stock GS still has more muscle and better handling than your Tenere with a flash, headers, and suspension? I ask, because I always tell people you can buy a Tenere, add a suspension and flash for less the a BMW and have just as good performance if not better, without having to worry about braking down.
 

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coastie said:
Nice intro, and welcome! Your going to have to do better than sideswiped and have the Tenere slide down the pavement to stop her. You will most likely just snap the peg off, but that is about it. Its a damn tank! So do you think the stock GS still has more muscle and better handling than your Tenere with a flash, headers, and suspension? I ask, because I always tell people you can buy a Tenere, add a suspension and flash for less the a BMW and have just as good performance if not better, without having to worry about braking down.
Hmmm. I think the GS feels more refined and may still walk when going past 100mph but I think my Tenere accelerates quicker. I am fortunate to have the S10 that was used Bazzazz to program the fuel controller... It's the same bike in their photo. LA-Motor said the tune was without the header installed, so I took it to a tuner recommended by Bazzazz and found the sensor for the autotune was shot and so we put it on the dyno to iron out any kinks. I wish I new the numbers we attained but I wasn't searching for numbers. I just wanted fueling to be optimum for the set up. I came out very happy. ;D

In S mode, I have to be easy while taking the slow turns in town when starting to roll on. The power feels instant... almost too snappy. I am considering the G2 throttle tamer. I didn't have to be as cautious with the GS. I had to be in higher RPMs to get the same feeling I have with the S10.

As far as handling, I used the GS electronic suspension setting with (Helmet + luggage) for my weight. I found I kept messing with the settings to try out with different riding modes but let me just say that there's nothing like having suspension custom set up for YOU. It doesn't have to be the best brand but having someone that knows what they are doing. I could have a $1000 Armani suit but if I don't have it tailored right, it still looks like crap on me. ::007::

I found the stock S10 swayed forward a lot during braking. I went to get a SAG done and my front was max'd out, 0 turns left. I went to RaceTech and told them the type of riding, weight, etc. and I made an appointment so I can wait for it. The results were fantastic. I can now brake and not feel the weight shift forward. It also helped with putting power to the ground since there is no excessive movement of the chassis.

Reading the threads about the flash, suspension, etc to be better than the GS is what got me curious enough to try one out. I searched for a specific S10 that had the majority of the work done and I found it on this site. When I made the test ride, I had a huge grin. All that I needed to complete was the suspension and after some fuel tweaking, I got everything that I wanted for a lot less than the GS.
 
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