You do realize . . . . you just described the Tenere?
S10 v GS 1300 (or 1200)
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Streethawk
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It's a vision then. Like in Field of Dreams. I guess I need to put that boxer twin in the Super Tenere. If I build it, they will come... LOL!!You do realize . . . . you just described the Tenere?
Well, if that's what we're doing, just put the MT-10's engine in it.
(MT stands for Master of Touque)scott123007
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Actually, the MT09 engine would be better. Still more power than the 1200, plenty of torque, and even better mileage (at least in MT09 configuration). The problem with the MT10, and I have had a 2018, and now the 2023 MT10SP, is MPG. I LOVE the engine, but it is THIRSTY. The MOST I have gotten is 37 mpg.Well, if that's what we're doing, just put the MT-10's engine in it.
As a naked sport bike, it is unreal. As an Adventurer Tourer engine, I think the MPG would kill it.Can't have your cake and eat it too. Power of higher mileage. I've always said that the T-12's mileage is very good for the power that it provides. I would ass-sume that the MT-10 gearing would be changed from that of a hooligan style bike to that of "old man's" ADV bike. The MT has the power to pull taller gears. (same TQ and a lot more HP)
The MT has the power to pull taller gears. (same TQ and a lot more HP)
There are rumors that BWM is going to bring back the HP2 Enduro, which is exactly the bike you are describing.
But none of Starbucks crowd wanted it?
blitz11
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No one could afford the HP2, not even those who can afford Starbucks.
JJTJ2
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MT is actually pronounced EMPTY because of the poor fuel economy.Can't have your cake and eat it too. Power of higher mileage. I've always said that the T-12's mileage is very good for the power that it provides. I would ass-sume that the MT-10 gearing would be changed from that of a hooligan style bike to that of "old man's" ADV bike.
I don't get it. Where did the extra cost(s) come in. There's literally less of everything. Suspension, brakes, and yes weight. "Lightweight plastic, aluminum and magnesium" for less weight. The cylinder heads have been magnesium since at least '04; My RT said so. Just doesn't make sense.
scott123007
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High power and less weight ALWAYS costs more
That bike was 430 lbs ready to ride! Think about that. 145 lbs lighter than the S-10, and the same horsepower. They were pricey, but still sell for a fortune today.
That bike was 430 lbs ready to ride! Think about that. 145 lbs lighter than the S-10, and the same horsepower. They were pricey, but still sell for a fortune today.
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Most of the time there is a cost for weight reduction. But in this case, the weight reduction was more a thing of not adding extra parts/equipment more than using exotic materials. No windshield, bags, fairing, and a smaller fuel tank. They even eliminated one rotor/caliper and the associated brake lines. Which also includes no ABS and/or pump. To me the only reason for the higher price would be that it was likely hand made since there wouldn't be an assembly line product and they misjudged the demand.
Tenforeplay
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Economies of scale. I was at the grocery store the other day, looking at ketchup, they had the same brand, with less sugar and less salt, same size, cost $1 more per unit. That didn't make sense either.
Streethawk
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I forgot about that one! If BMW resurrected it, I bet it'd be sans long haul touring accomodations. Mission-wise, I guess it'd need to live somewhere between the 750 and 900 GSs. That'd be an interesting revival for sure!
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BMW makes feature rich bikes that are fun to ride. But to keep them you really have to buy in to the culture and elitism BS.
We had a '16 GSA in the garage at the same time as the '15 S10 for the wife and I. I've ridden the GS a lot. Every time it needed service, recall or repair, I was the one riding it the 100 miles to the nearest dealer, or the 300 miles to the second nearest, but far better, dealer. The Yamaha saw the dealer every 26k just because I was too lazy to do the valve check myself. That was the only service I paid anyone to do. The wife paid for oil changed while under the original 36k warranty. Not because she needed to, just paranoia. I'd pick the bike up and find things done to it that weren't on the service bill. A new rad cap. The Clutch cover's been off. Wiring changes. ECU flashes that caused the bike to run differently, sometimes worse to the point we had to return it for a fix. These were all "secret service bulletins" that customers were not told about, but would be done if the bike came to a dealer.
At the time I bought a 4 year YES extended warranty for a little over $350. She paid $2600 for an unlimited mileage 5 year warranty on the BMW, from an aftermarket company, since BMW didn't sell extended warranties then. I heard they started offering them, but don't know if they do now. My warranty claims on the '15 were zero. Her warranty claims on the '16 GSA were over $10k for the same ~50k miles. Better than the previous BMW she had, which had over $30k in warranty claims, including new trans, cooling system issues, stator and eventually a completely hand built engine from cases ordered from Germany since they couldn't get a built engine from BMW to replace the one that burned up.
We had a '16 GSA in the garage at the same time as the '15 S10 for the wife and I. I've ridden the GS a lot. Every time it needed service, recall or repair, I was the one riding it the 100 miles to the nearest dealer, or the 300 miles to the second nearest, but far better, dealer. The Yamaha saw the dealer every 26k just because I was too lazy to do the valve check myself. That was the only service I paid anyone to do. The wife paid for oil changed while under the original 36k warranty. Not because she needed to, just paranoia. I'd pick the bike up and find things done to it that weren't on the service bill. A new rad cap. The Clutch cover's been off. Wiring changes. ECU flashes that caused the bike to run differently, sometimes worse to the point we had to return it for a fix. These were all "secret service bulletins" that customers were not told about, but would be done if the bike came to a dealer.
At the time I bought a 4 year YES extended warranty for a little over $350. She paid $2600 for an unlimited mileage 5 year warranty on the BMW, from an aftermarket company, since BMW didn't sell extended warranties then. I heard they started offering them, but don't know if they do now. My warranty claims on the '15 were zero. Her warranty claims on the '16 GSA were over $10k for the same ~50k miles. Better than the previous BMW she had, which had over $30k in warranty claims, including new trans, cooling system issues, stator and eventually a completely hand built engine from cases ordered from Germany since they couldn't get a built engine from BMW to replace the one that burned up.
Everybody knows that "organic" food cost more.
Speaking of ketchup, our Texas/Mexico only grocery store H-E-B carries a store brand ketchup that has pepper in it. Deliscimous!!
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Streethawk
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I can respect it. At the end of the day, it's a business that caters towards a particular demographic and that's okay. My GS riding buddies also drive Ferraris, Porsches, AMGs, etc. I drive a Nissan pickupI'm one of the "ELITIST
We all however, get on great when we're together without any pretentiousness in the mix. That's because the real star of the show is the ride