The anything thread.

I have no plans or interest to buy an EV. But I do appreciate the tech and see where it has become a good alternative for many and is still improving.

S10 range is roughly about 200 miles correct.? Each fuel stop with a bathroom break is probably at least 10 minutes. A Tesla can get a 200 mile charge in 15 minutes with a Supercharger. Not much difference there. Look at the map below, there are not that many gaps greater than 200 miles.

That's good as long as there isn't a line of cars ahead of you waiting for their 15 minute turn.

Dirt_Dad said:

That's good as long as there isn't a line of cars ahead of you waiting for their 15 minute turn.

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Because although gas stations are everywhere, with multiple pumps, I have yet to see an EV charger anywhere that I've traveled. I'm not saying that they're not out there, but you're gonna have to look for them. For now.

Sierra1 said:

Because although gas stations are everywhere, with multiple pumps, I have yet to see an EV charger anywhere that I've traveled. I'm not saying that they're not out there, but you're gonna have to look for them. For now.

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There is a Tesla supercharging station less than 8 miles from Joshua, TX. About 20 various ones within a 25 mile radius. You just don't notice them. It's sort of like if you recently buy a certain make/model of car...then you notice them all the time.

tntmo said:

. . . . About 20 various ones within a 25 mile radius. You just don't notice them. . . .

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I am not anti-EV, but I do have concerns. Mainly for interstate travel. Around town is easy. But how many gas stations in that same radius? And you're right, you don't notice them. Wich brings up another point, they need to be easier to locate. Buc-cee's is working with Tesla to install chargers. That's the kind of thing that needs to happen more to win more people over. If every Exxon, Shell, Mobil, and Texaco had chargers right along with their pumps, that would also raise people's confidence. My wife never drives more than 50mi a day, but is worried that she'll get stranded with an EV that has a 200+mi range.

Sierra1 said:

I am not anti-EV, but I do have concerns. Mainly for interstate travel. Around town is easy. But how many gas stations in that same radius? And you're right, you don't notice them. Wich brings up another point, they need to be easier to locate. Buc-cee's is working with Tesla to install chargers. That's the kind of thing that needs to happen more to win more people over. If every Exxon, Shell, Mobil, and Texaco had chargers right along with their pumps, that would also raise people's confidence. My wife never drives more than 50mi a day, but is worried that she'll get stranded with an EV that has a 200+mi range.

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I'm not anti EV either, don't own one at this point but have considered it. Interstate travel is easy with a Tesla, the charging stations are set up specifically for that. I have no idea how it works with other EV's as far as that is concerned? Around town like you said, with a 50 mile day almost any EV would work. We have solar and overproduce so a short range EV would be good for us but my wife only works 2.5 miles from home and I'm "retired" so our commuting needs are minimal. I have done the math with buying a used Prius or Leaf at about $5-$7k versus paying for gas around $4 per gallon, it would take a long time to get the return on investment. I guess if gas prices remain high and continue I can re-evaluate but I'm sure the price of used short range EV's or hybrids will rise as well.

Who knows what will happen in a few years. I don't really think EV is the final answer, but it's a step on the way to the next answer.

“With the increase in fuel, every day more men use their wife's vehicle”….

Jlq1969 said:

“With the increase in fuel, every day more men use their wife's vehicle”….View attachment 89761

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How she gonna do the housework ?

fac191 said:

How she gonna do the housework ?

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Electricity is the answer! "Look what I bought you honey! A new vacuum cleaner!"

Sierra1 said:

I am not anti-EV, but I do have concerns. ...Wich brings up another point, they need to be easier to locate. ... My wife never drives more than 50mi a day, but is worried that she'll get stranded with an EV that has a 200+mi range.

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tntmo said:

...I have no idea how it works with other EV's as far as that is concerned? ...

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One of the first things you do as an EV owner is put the apps on your phone for whatever charge stations are in the area. I see that Chargepoint alone has 7 near you, including at Camping World, the Harley dealer, and movie theater. There are other apps and one of the pains is that they don't necessarily tell when chargers on other networks are in the area. And then there are all the unannounced public ones, like at many hotels and Kohls stores.

I regularly drive a 135 mile loop and to be easy on the battery seldom charge to more than 200 miles. Never been an issue, even in the cold months of Winter we get here.

tntmo said:

Around town like you said, with a 50 mile day almost any EV would work. We have solar and overproduce so a short range EV would be good for us but my wife only works 2.5 miles from home and I'm "retired" so our commuting needs are minimal. I have done the math with buying a used Prius or Leaf at about $5-$7k versus paying for gas around $4 per gallon, it would take a long time to get the return on investment. I guess if gas prices remain high and continue I can re-evaluate but I'm sure the price of used short range EV's or hybrids will rise as well....

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The thing about those old 2012-ish Leafs, electric Focus, Priuses, etc is that while their range sucks (as low as 30 miles for the early hybrid Prius) their prices have pretty well hit bottom so you can sell one for close to what you bought it for, plus are dirt cheap on maintenance.

My lady is 100% work at home but was saying that if she had to run into town more regularly (2-3 miles) she'd seriously consider an e-bicycle and leave the Honda Pilot in the garage.

tntmo said:

. . . . I guess if gas prices remain high and continue I can re-evaluate but I'm sure the price of used short range EV's or hybrids will rise as well. . . .

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I have to assume it's happening everywhere, new/used vehicle prices have gone stupid high. New is bringing at least MSRP, and used are going for about 75% of what the original owner paid for it. . . . at least 10 yrs old, and over 100k miles on the odometer.

Checkswrecks said:

One of the first things you do as an EV owner is put the apps on your phone for whatever charge stations are in the area. . . .

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I guess I would have to get a smart phone.

A friend of my wife just sent her a video on Fakebook. It was at a mall in LA near I-10. It showed five Teslas being charged. There were another 15 in a line waiting to charge. The friend talked to one of the drivers in line. The guy said it usually only took about 30 min to charge up, but it was running (charging) slower due to the heavy demand. It didn't make sense to me. If these were local drivers, why would they wait all that time in line instead of charging at home. 'Cuz I find it very hard to believe that all 20 of the cars in the video were traveling cross country. Maybe the chargers were available to the mall customers for free. If so, these people deserve to sit and waste time. But it is an example of more demand than can be supplied.

I went and found the charger at the cinema in my nearby town. It has to be a very recent installation, and I'm not sure why it was installed there. Not a high traffic parking lot, and nobody was charging.

VRODE said:

Electricity is the answer! "Look what I bought you honey! A new vacuum cleaner!"

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You are very thoughtful.

Checkswrecks said:

One of the first things you do as an EV owner is put the apps on your phone for whatever charge stations are in the area. I see that Chargepoint alone has 7 near you, including at Camping World, the Harley dealer, and movie theater. There are other apps and one of the pains is that they don't necessarily tell when chargers on other networks are in the area. And then there are all the unannounced public ones, like at many hotels and Kohls stores.

The thing about those old 2012-ish Leafs, electric Focus, Priuses, etc is that while their range sucks (as low as 30 miles for the early hybrid Prius) their prices have pretty well hit bottom so you can sell one for close to what you bought it for, plus are dirt cheap on maintenance.

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I have only been in a few EV's with friends and only know how the Tesla charging system works. Do any of the other ones charge nearly as fast?

The reason I have been eyeballing the old Leaf's are the reduced range and the super low prices. My wife works less than 3 miles from home, so 30-50 mile range is no problem. We have solar and produce extra so we could top off at night. I'm a bit handy, so doing a battery swap is something that intrigues me. I just missed out on a super cheap Prius with a defective battery pack, keeping my eyes open for a project.

The Toyotas drive great.

You may want to look into the cost of repacement batteries before buying an older Leaf or Prius. Especially if they are out of warranty. I know there are cheaper options like repacing the bad cells individually or buying refurbed batteries.

We have a 2010 Prius, best car ever. Bought it used from the local university as a fleet car with 50k on it. It has 200k now and drives great. We expect it to hit 300k no problem. If it died tomorrow it wouldn’t owe us a thing.