S10 vsersus S10 ZE

Electrolyse · Aug 15, 2020

Hey gals, guys,

I'm from Switzerland (nobody's perfect), and after months (literally) of reflection I am gonna buys a S10. My very first one and second Yamaha (first one was my first bike, a 600XT which I loved too much)
And I have a question : does the extra money for a ZE worth it ?

I can get a 2016 non ZE for 10k CHF (or USD it is the same almost), 17 000km with yamaha paniers + top case + arrow exhaust (which i dont like) OR
a (many) ZE from 2017 to 2019, naked (no options) but with less than 10 000km for 11 000-13 000CHF.

thanks for your help

ps : I usually ride 10 000 to 15 000 per year, but now I'll make 6000-8000km per year

Stephane

Longdog Cymru · Aug 15, 2020

Hi Stephane and welcome from Wales UK. Two years ago I was looking for a Super Tenere and I was in the same situation as you. Of course I wanted the top of the range ZE with Yamaha cases and heated grips. Then I thought about the type of riding that I do, for me it was all solo or touring solo with side cases. I decided that I didn’t really need the electronically adjustable suspension and any possible complications that may come along. I settled for an XT with conventional suspension. I bought Oxford heated grips and Givi Dolomiti cases and now I have the perfect do anything bike for me.

I suggest you look at the type of riding that you do and what you actually need rather than what you want or would like and be honest with yourself. Whatever you decide on, let us know and don’t forget that we love pictures on here too. Looking forward to seeing which bike you buy!

Squibb · Aug 15, 2020

Depends on your riding needs. If you tour & carry a pillion regularly, then the convenience of the ES/ZE is well worth the extra CHFs. The ZE comes with a centre stand, heated grips & pillion handles included.

If you just ride solo, then maybe the standard bike is perfectly adequate. BTW, don't you guys have anti-tampering laws when it comes to the exhaust - is the Arrow system legal?

Welcome along - enjoy whatever you choose.

Electrolyse · Aug 15, 2020

Squibb said:
Depends on your riding needs. If you tour & carry a pillion regularly, then the convenience of the ES/ZE is well worth the extra CHFs. The ZE comes with a centre stand, heated grips & pillion handles included.

If you just ride solo, then maybe the standard bike is perfectly adequate. BTW, don't you guys have anti-tampering laws when it comes to the exhaust - is the Arrow system legal?

Welcome along - enjoy whatever you choose.

Hello Squibb
Yes my copy paste skill is insane

I'll mostly ride with my wife, and from time to time going to job with it, it's just 10 km so im not sure if it is a good thing riding for 10 or 15mn then stop everyday.

Regarding exhausts we have laws about the noise of course, it is the same than UE, so you should have the same in UK, well for now

)
About "exotic" exhaust here, they started to put some "noise radars" in cities because a lot of idiots especially on cars started to make vroom vroom and at 2AM it is damn annoying, I hope everybody will get the signal

Electrolyse · Aug 15, 2020

Longdog Cymru said:
Hi Stephane and welcome from Wales UK. Two years ago I was looking for a Super Tenere and I was in the same situation as you. Of course I wanted the top of the range ZE with Yamaha cases and heated grips. Then I thought about the type of riding that I do, for me it was all solo or touring solo with side cases. I decided that I didn’t really need the electronically adjustable suspension and any possible complications that may come along. I settled for an XT with conventional suspension. I bought Oxford heated grips and Givi Dolomiti cases and now I have the perfect do anything bike for me.

I suggest you look at the type of riding that you do and what you actually need rather than what you want or would like and be honest with yourself. Whatever you decide on, let us know and don’t forget that we love pictures on here too. Looking forward to seeing which bike you buy!

Hello Longdog

thank you for the comment, I'm pretty sure I do not NEED a ZE, but I'm also thinking in the case I would like to resell it in 4 or 5 years.
Yamaha is well known for its reliability and after reading hundreds of threads I could not say I saw many peoples with electronic suspensions issues, so for me both are ok.

BTW I never tried any bike with that kind of suspension, maybe it's cool, maybe not.
PS : whatever I will choose I will post some pictures be sure of that

Sierra1 · Aug 15, 2020

Welcome from Texas. Personally I prefer the ES/ZE. But, in my daily 30mi round trip, the road surface changes very much. And, for me being able to change the rebound/dampening on the fly is worth the extra cost. The preload, which you would change when adding luggage and/or a wife. . . . is changed with a push of the button. So, if your roads are all the same, you might not need the adjustment of the ES/ZE. I'm 300lbs (+/-) and it's very easy to adjust to perfection. If you look around, you will likely be able to find an ES/ZE for a great price. Good luck.

Electrolyse · Aug 15, 2020

Sierra1 said:
Welcome from Texas. Personally I prefer the ES/ZE. But, in my daily 30mi round trip, the road surface changes very much. And, for me being able to change the rebound/dampening on the fly is worth the extra cost. The preload, which you would change when adding luggage and/or a wife. . . . is changed with a push of the button. So, if your roads are all the same, you might need the adjustment of the ES/ZE. I'm 300lbs (+/-) and it's very easy to adjust to perfection. If you look around, you will likely be able to find an ES/ZE for a great price. Good luck.

Thank you Sierra for your comment, I think I'll think for 1 or 2 weeks and probably go for a ZE, or maybe not

magic of capitalism ...

magic · Aug 15, 2020

Welcome to the forum. I prefer the standard model. The money saved can be put towards some premium suspension components.

twinrider · Aug 15, 2020

I had a standard mode and now have a ZE. It's nice being able to control the suspension settings on the fly for the conditions. The non-ZE is adjustable, but who pulls over and breaks out the screwdriver every time the road conditions change?

Electrolyse · Aug 15, 2020

Sierra1 said:
Welcome from Texas. Personally I prefer the ES/ZE. But, in my daily 30mi round trip, the road surface changes very much. And, for me being able to change the rebound/dampening on the fly is worth the extra cost. The preload, which you would change when adding luggage and/or a wife. . . . is changed with a push of the button. So, if your roads are all the same, you might need the adjustment of the ES/ZE. I'm 300lbs (+/-) and it's very easy to adjust to perfection. If you look around, you will likely be able to find an ES/ZE for a great price. Good luck.

Thank you for your comment Sierra1, I'll think about that, the roads here are pretty much good but what Im going to find in others countries, I don't know (yet), so maybe yes the EZ worth the extra bucks indeed

Electrolyse · Aug 15, 2020

magic said:
Welcome to the forum. I prefer the standard model. The money saved can be put towards some premium suspension components.

Thank you, I thought about that also, and like Twinrider said : who is gonna change the setup every day, I did that at beginning, but now Im starting to be lazy

thanks both

Mak10 · Aug 15, 2020

I change the suspension every ride. I’m not one who would mess with knobs and clicks every ride. With the ES it’s so easy. Road a bit bumpy and rough? You can change from STD to SOFT on the fly. Charging through some tight twisties? Change to HARD and the wallowing disappears. Riding off road and the Suspension is bottoming? Stiffen it up to two riders or two riders with luggage.
I love it.

Cycledude · Aug 15, 2020

I have owned both, it takes a while to learn how to operate ES but once learned it is the system I prefer. No I don’t adjust it very often .

Electrolyse · Aug 16, 2020

Mak10 said:
I change the suspension every ride. I’m not one who would mess with knobs and clicks every ride. With the ES it’s so easy. Road a bit bumpy and rough? You can change from STD to SOFT on the fly. Charging through some tight twisties? Change to HARD and the wallowing disappears. Riding off road and the Suspension is bottoming? Stiffen it up to two riders or two riders with luggage.
I love it.

thank you Mak10 for your feelings. What are those colored states ? the one you visited ?

Electrolyse · Aug 16, 2020

Cycledude said:
I have owned both, it takes a while to learn how to operate ES but once learned it is the system I prefer. No I don’t adjust it very often .

One more point for ES/EZ then, damn I'm gonna crack

yoyo · Aug 16, 2020

It could also depend on the age and spec of the bike you are thinking of buying. I bought a new non ES in 2016 not realising there is more to the ES than just the suspension, I added a centre stand, top box rack, heated grips and pillion handles all of which come as standard on the ES. If the dealer had mentioned the difference I would have definitely gone for the ES but as they don't sell many S10's they probably didn't know and they also only kept non ES in stock.

It's a great bike whichever model you choose so you can't go wrong really!

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Mak10 · Aug 16, 2020

The colored states are the ones I’ve ridden the Super Tenere in.

When I bought my 16 new it was $500 more for the ES. Looking around at used, the ES seemed to have a better resale value.

If you do any two up riding, it makes it easy to adjust.

Electrolyse · Aug 16, 2020

yoyo said:
It could also depend on the age and spec of the bike you are thinking of buying. I bought a new non ES in 2016 not realising there is more to the ES than just the suspension, I added a centre stand, top box rack, heated grips and pillion handles all of which come as standard on the ES. If the dealer had mentioned the difference I would have definitely gone for the ES but as they don't sell many S10's they probably didn't know and they also only kept non ES in stock.

It's a great bike whichever model you choose so you can't go wrong really!

Sent from my ELE-L29 using Tapatalk

True .. true. .. I have to think about options as well. I think ZE will be easier to resell as well

Electrolyse · Aug 16, 2020

Mak10 said:
The colored states are the ones I’ve ridden the Super Tenere in.

When I bought my 16 new it was $500 more for the ES. Looking around at used, the ES seemed to have a better resale value.

If you do any two up riding, it makes it easy to adjust.

nice trips !
Wish I could bring my bike there, I went in few parks in California, was awesome

Mak10 · Aug 16, 2020

2020 has been a difficult year. All my planned trips got cancelled. Looking forward to a better future.

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