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Offline RonH

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2018, 11:22:26 pm »
In the old days when common sense ruled, manufacturers would more or less match the transmission to the engine, like the super duty ford truck with the diesel was matched with the manual transmission in the late 80s/ early 90s. First year powerstroke diesel only offered manual. Oh what a dream, offer the automatic only on the F150 type vehicals. Leave the F350 type manual. Goldwing to me is F350 in a motorcycle, but not with the DCT. Reverts to a F100.
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Offline eemsreno

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2018, 06:23:26 am »
I'm with you on this Auto trany junk Ron.
It might be fine on a wing but to even consider it on an Adventure bike is just pathetic!

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2018, 01:27:56 pm »
It's about choice, my friends. People like different things and it is great that we have so many choices. As far as DCT, I  have ridden every generation on several models that Honda offers and in my previous rides, I preferred the manual transmission. When I rode the VFR1200 with an early generation DCT, before my test ride was over, I had it in manual mode. With the Africa Twin DCT, I found it a bit confusing on the adventure backroad route that I took it on, as it had several modes of operation of DCT and, not being used to it, I wasn't sure which was best for each type of rough pavement or terrain, so I preferred the manual shift version.  Having said that, a friend bought the first year AT with manual transmission and last year when he was helping me lead adventure demo rides on Niehaus Cycles' adv type bikes, he rode the DCT version of the AT and liked it so much that he ordered the second year AT with the DCT option. With the new Wing, it felt to me that they finally found the right model bike to utilize the DCT, as it seemed to fit the performance and personality of that bike. I rode the standard model right after the DCT and thought that this was the first Honda model that I would definitely order the DCT rather than standard. I must not be alone, as our dealer has presold 5 new models and they all are DCT.

BTW, this is not the auto transmission like we had in trucks or cars in the good old days. There is no slippage as the 2 clutches electrically switch from one to the other, selecting pre-engaged gears and it is difficult to even feel the gear change. If one prefers to operate the gears manually, that can easily be done with a thumb or forefinger button on the left switch housing. They even offer a foot shift lever in case you would prefer to activate the electrical manual mode with your left foot. I find that amazingly useless but it is offered in case somebody wants that.

I found ST-Venture's comments especially interesting and useful, as he rode the new Venture, new Wing, and the K1600B and decided that of those 3, he would prefer the Wing Tour DCT.  During our dealer's Yamaha demo rides in Oct. when the Yamaha truck was here, two of my friends rode the new Venture and their feedback to me was that it was a bit top heavy and one said that he felt engine heat. Since then, one has bought the K1600B and the other has ordered a new Wing Tour DCT. The latter is the friend who has the Africa Twin DCT also, which he will be keeping.

I sometimes fill in as a salesman at Niehaus Cycle Sales, when the full-time salesmen take a vacation, etc and one thing that I appreciate about that dealership is their willingness to let customers demo bikes. That is useful to both the customer and salesman, in that we all prefer different things. They sell all models of Yamaha and Honda bikes and when a person asks me which model or make is the better, for instance when comparing a FJR to a ST1300, I tell them to take them both for a ride, as their preferences may be different than mine and after riding them, they can make their own choice. I may not agree with their preference, but it is their money, so they should buy what they prefer.

So, again, it is choice, my friends. If you don't care for one choice, make another.  To let another's choice make you violent is, ah, interesting, at best. Buy what you prefer, vote as you prefer, and then live and let live, is my opinion. Life is too short to let others' choice upset you so.

In my case, I chose the ES version of the S10, even though others prefer the manual suspension and that is their choice. I'll be keeping it, along with my DR650, DR350, and 4 Bultaco dirt bikes and enjoying each one.  At the same time, I'll say that I have ridden many bikes and many miles in 52 years of riding and the 2018 Gold Wing Tour DCT is the most impressive bike I have ever ridden.

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2018, 03:55:03 pm »
....It's about choice, my friends. People like different things and it is great that we have so many choices.... If you don't care for one choice, make another....In my case, I chose the ES version of the S10, even though others prefer the manual suspension and that is their choice.


 ::026:: It was only a matter of time for the auto trans to show up on bikes.  I will likely ONLY have a manual until they are no longer available.  But, that's me.  My son prefer manual trans also.  My oldest son bought my '04 1/2 ton, because 1/2 ton manuals are not available; can't even order them.  I do agree the new autos are VERY much better than they used to be, but they're still not for me.   ::001::
In the stable: Me-'17 TENERE ES & '86 FJ 1200; Wife-'01 TW 200; Son 1-'16 R6; Son 2-'14 FJR ES
Out to Pasture: '77 XS 360; '81 SECA 550; '00 KZ 1000P; '04 BMW 1150 RT-P; '11 ST1300PA; '11 KLR

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2018, 05:38:15 pm »
Just got back from the MD motorcycle show, where they had the new GW next to last year's model and OMG what a difference. The 2017 wasn't bad, it was just blocky and huge in every way. It was like sitting in a full size pick-up. The new GW was like sitting in a luxury car by comparison. The only way Honda is going to move the remaining 2017 models will be some MASSIVE discounts. btw - One of our group is 6'5" and his knees had plenty of clearance.


We were at the BMW display, where they had a K1600, before seeing the Hondas. The new GW is like a K1600 which has been going to the gym. We were impressed.


Everything is a compromise and I get that it has slightly less fuel and the boxes are smaller. But this is a great bike and I'll bet the market will come up with ways around those issues.
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Offline RonH

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2018, 09:27:14 pm »
I don't know. Like I said, my 2008 is still perfect for me. If I had money and desire to "upgrade" I would still rather have a 2017 vs the new one. Remove the DCT from consideration, the new one is basically a downgrade in 90% of the bike. Of course the DCT is the main item most are so excited about. Looks like the end of the line for the goldwing for me in ever wanting another new one.
Thread at ADVrider on the 700 Honda with DCT trying to figure a way to make the transmission shift out of 1st gear in the event of any form of ABS failure. The ABS light is on= The motorcycle does not have wheel speed data needed to shift, so stays in 1st gear. I find it funny, but not funny for owners most likely. GL1800  may or may not have this "feature", but I don't have any desire to even look at one or ride one.
2017 Super Tenere 1200ES, 2008 Honda GL1800 Goldwing

 

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