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Offline RonH

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2018, 11:22:26 pm »
In the old days when common sense ruled, manufacturers would more or less match the transmission to the engine, like the super duty ford truck with the diesel was matched with the manual transmission in the late 80s/ early 90s. First year powerstroke diesel only offered manual. Oh what a dream, offer the automatic only on the F150 type vehicals. Leave the F350 type manual. Goldwing to me is F350 in a motorcycle, but not with the DCT. Reverts to a F100.
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2018, 06:23:26 am »
I'm with you on this Auto trany junk Ron.
It might be fine on a wing but to even consider it on an Adventure bike is just pathetic!

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2018, 01:27:56 pm »
It's about choice, my friends. People like different things and it is great that we have so many choices. As far as DCT, I  have ridden every generation on several models that Honda offers and in my previous rides, I preferred the manual transmission. When I rode the VFR1200 with an early generation DCT, before my test ride was over, I had it in manual mode. With the Africa Twin DCT, I found it a bit confusing on the adventure backroad route that I took it on, as it had several modes of operation of DCT and, not being used to it, I wasn't sure which was best for each type of rough pavement or terrain, so I preferred the manual shift version.  Having said that, a friend bought the first year AT with manual transmission and last year when he was helping me lead adventure demo rides on Niehaus Cycles' adv type bikes, he rode the DCT version of the AT and liked it so much that he ordered the second year AT with the DCT option. With the new Wing, it felt to me that they finally found the right model bike to utilize the DCT, as it seemed to fit the performance and personality of that bike. I rode the standard model right after the DCT and thought that this was the first Honda model that I would definitely order the DCT rather than standard. I must not be alone, as our dealer has presold 5 new models and they all are DCT.

BTW, this is not the auto transmission like we had in trucks or cars in the good old days. There is no slippage as the 2 clutches electrically switch from one to the other, selecting pre-engaged gears and it is difficult to even feel the gear change. If one prefers to operate the gears manually, that can easily be done with a thumb or forefinger button on the left switch housing. They even offer a foot shift lever in case you would prefer to activate the electrical manual mode with your left foot. I find that amazingly useless but it is offered in case somebody wants that.

I found ST-Venture's comments especially interesting and useful, as he rode the new Venture, new Wing, and the K1600B and decided that of those 3, he would prefer the Wing Tour DCT.  During our dealer's Yamaha demo rides in Oct. when the Yamaha truck was here, two of my friends rode the new Venture and their feedback to me was that it was a bit top heavy and one said that he felt engine heat. Since then, one has bought the K1600B and the other has ordered a new Wing Tour DCT. The latter is the friend who has the Africa Twin DCT also, which he will be keeping.

I sometimes fill in as a salesman at Niehaus Cycle Sales, when the full-time salesmen take a vacation, etc and one thing that I appreciate about that dealership is their willingness to let customers demo bikes. That is useful to both the customer and salesman, in that we all prefer different things. They sell all models of Yamaha and Honda bikes and when a person asks me which model or make is the better, for instance when comparing a FJR to a ST1300, I tell them to take them both for a ride, as their preferences may be different than mine and after riding them, they can make their own choice. I may not agree with their preference, but it is their money, so they should buy what they prefer.

So, again, it is choice, my friends. If you don't care for one choice, make another.  To let another's choice make you violent is, ah, interesting, at best. Buy what you prefer, vote as you prefer, and then live and let live, is my opinion. Life is too short to let others' choice upset you so.

In my case, I chose the ES version of the S10, even though others prefer the manual suspension and that is their choice. I'll be keeping it, along with my DR650, DR350, and 4 Bultaco dirt bikes and enjoying each one.  At the same time, I'll say that I have ridden many bikes and many miles in 52 years of riding and the 2018 Gold Wing Tour DCT is the most impressive bike I have ever ridden.

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2018, 03:55:03 pm »
....It's about choice, my friends. People like different things and it is great that we have so many choices.... If you don't care for one choice, make another....In my case, I chose the ES version of the S10, even though others prefer the manual suspension and that is their choice.


 ::026:: It was only a matter of time for the auto trans to show up on bikes.  I will likely ONLY have a manual until they are no longer available.  But, that's me.  My son prefer manual trans also.  My oldest son bought my '04 1/2 ton, because 1/2 ton manuals are not available; can't even order them.  I do agree the new autos are VERY much better than they used to be, but they're still not for me.   ::001::
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2018, 05:38:15 pm »
Just got back from the MD motorcycle show, where they had the new GW next to last year's model and OMG what a difference. The 2017 wasn't bad, it was just blocky and huge in every way. It was like sitting in a full size pick-up. The new GW was like sitting in a luxury car by comparison. The only way Honda is going to move the remaining 2017 models will be some MASSIVE discounts. btw - One of our group is 6'5" and his knees had plenty of clearance.


We were at the BMW display, where they had a K1600, before seeing the Hondas. The new GW is like a K1600 which has been going to the gym. We were impressed.


Everything is a compromise and I get that it has slightly less fuel and the boxes are smaller. But this is a great bike and I'll bet the market will come up with ways around those issues.
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Offline RonH

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2018, 09:27:14 pm »
I don't know. Like I said, my 2008 is still perfect for me. If I had money and desire to "upgrade" I would still rather have a 2017 vs the new one. Remove the DCT from consideration, the new one is basically a downgrade in 90% of the bike. Of course the DCT is the main item most are so excited about. Looks like the end of the line for the goldwing for me in ever wanting another new one.
Thread at ADVrider on the 700 Honda with DCT trying to figure a way to make the transmission shift out of 1st gear in the event of any form of ABS failure. The ABS light is on= The motorcycle does not have wheel speed data needed to shift, so stays in 1st gear. I find it funny, but not funny for owners most likely. GL1800  may or may not have this "feature", but I don't have any desire to even look at one or ride one.
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2018, 07:36:14 pm »
I had a chance to demo a new DCT Wing during bike week in Daytona. First off, it is a beautiful bike. I think they did a great job on styling and I think it looks far better than the old Wing. For reference, I owned a 2012 Goldwing for about 3 months. The seating position is improved for tall guys but I still think the handlebars come back too far. New electronics and their integration is very good. Front suspension is a nice step up and handling is most definitely improved. In tour mode the DCT shifts very early and often. It is in third or fourth gear by the other end of an intersection, and I could easily feel every one. I can shift a manual smoother than this tranny shifts. I thought I would like the DCT but I found out that I hated it.

Overall, it is a fairly good bike but I admit I was a bit disappointed and expected a bit more. I have been spoiled by the BMW K1600GT I have been riding since I sold the Goldwing in 2013. I think Honda has closed the gap a bit but in my view the BMW is still quite a bit better. The combination of less weight, more power, better fuel mileage, longer range, better handling, and more spacious luggage are just a few of the reasons the K1600 wins in a heads up competition. The Honda does have a clear edge in updated electronics but it is not enough to overcome the other shortcomings.

As always YMMV.

By the way, after test riding over 30 bikes in the last couple of years the most impressive motorcycle I have ever ridden is the 1100 Aprilia Tuono. Nothing else comes close.

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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2018, 09:41:42 pm »
Good to hear you hated the DCT and can actually post your feelings. I've about been booted off the GL1800 forum. Even comments such as "there are times when a manual transmission can be shifted more smoothly" are not tolerated. Any mention in any way, shape or form against the DCT is "bashing". Don't say you tried it and hated it over there. Against rules.
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2018, 09:44:05 pm »
Thanks for sharing your impression of the new Wing, BMAC. As far as the DCT shifting early and often, it will do that in the most conservative D mode. Switching to the sport mode, for instance results in it winding out longer in each gear before it shifts.
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2018, 10:16:42 pm »
Somewhere I read that they had reduced the storage volume from something like 150 liters to 110 liters.  From the photos I saw on line, it definitely does look sleeker than the previous models.  The loss of storage volume could be a pain when you're touring two-up for a couple weeks.  Bike looks great, though.
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2018, 10:48:28 pm »
Yes, they cut quite a bit off the storage, made the whole motorcycle smaller and lighter. Probably better for many solo riders, but I doubt too many wives are raving about the rear seating vs the older one. Also complexity, such as now a can-bus system, like BMW,  and things like ride modes. Ride modes are all well and good, but every time the battery power is lost, all memory is lost and in "ride mode" you get ------------ until go through initialize procedure. Of course all this is discussed over at the GL1800 forum. Thankfully it's not yet against the rules as far as I know to not lust after the smaller luggage or canbus and these can be "bashed", just don't say a word in any way against the DCT even in joking.
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2018, 10:42:36 am »
DCT scares me for 2 reasons: 1 because I am a bit of a control freak. I like to get where I want to be when I want to get there. Sometimes I want to be in a gear for get-up-and-go. Sometimes for gas mileage and/or engine efficiency. Sometimes I just want to be ready for a quick speed up or slow down. The second reason it scares me.......I'm afraid I'll like it!!! Then there's the worry that my muscle memory will tilt towards a DCT and I'll get on a manual shift bike and have an accident.  My cars and trucks have always been manual transmission. Not knowing right away what to do on maintenance on motorcycle DCT worries me a little. Just feel a little too old to learn something new. I did bellyache about fuel injection when they first came to cars! (I knew carbs too well)

Someone I know who has a tenere also has the AT DCT and he likes it and it seems he rides his AT DCT more than his Tenere. He has 10 bikes and is experienced. So his opinion/experience does matter to me.

I know what ever I ride; I learn to adapt either way. I am fighting the DCT thing tooth and nail! I've never driven a GW before. I'm impressed with the maneuverability of the GW for such a big heavy bike! I've seen motorcycle police doing drills on GWs and just amazed!
On the Venture/Eluder in my opinion...Yamaha dropped the ball on the weight and no water cooling. I think some of these bike engineers have NO idea what it's like to be stuck in traffic here in DFW, Texas for an hour when the temp. is 95F or above!
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2018, 04:17:43 pm »
I took both the 6 speed manual and the 7 speed DCT for a test ride last week and really liked them both but I would most likely buy the DCT.
For me the biggest issue would be getting used to so many new controls but I don’t think that would really take that long.

For me the biggest surprise was how much easier it is to get on and off the new bike and that 90 pounds less weight is very noticeable.

Because of our upcoming Inuvik trip I don’t plan on buying a new bike this year.
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2018, 11:21:00 pm »
From most reviews the DCT is great. That being said, I will never consider one. Some things just strike me as wrong, and not shifting manually is top of the list for me. I read the GL1800 forum and try to filter out any and all reviews by owners of DCT, as their opinions are of no interest, even of other aspects of the motorcycle.
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Re: Rode 2 new Gold Wings today- a short review
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2018, 11:26:27 pm »
I seriously looked at a Goldwing F6B and the big hangup for me was my left foot-shift foot-could barely fit on top of the shift lever and under the engine valve cover.  I almost had to wedge my foot in there on top of the shifter to downshift.  This was a complete distraction.  Other than that the bike is a big bang for the buck and feels much lighter than it actually is.  I should still take a test ride as I am sure the torque of that 6-cyl is a blast.
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