You're selling your bike, you're moving on, what NEXT ?

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A MG makes a great second bike (or third, or fourth).
I just don't really need any more bikes right now or I would think a lot harder on adding it to the line up.
I test ride other bikes and no matter how nice they seem, when I get back on my Tenere to ride home there is just no other bike that I want to be riding all the time.
Living in different parts of the country would dictate what bike would be best. If I lived in the mountains or Utah with good trails then I would need something more like the 890. But with 800 miles to any mountains and 400 to the Ozarks I have the bike I need. I can actually count 12 bikes in the garage right off the top of my head that I can go out and ride right now. [not counting all the ATVs around here]
 

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The interesting thing would be that in a couple of months, the 990 adventure would appear, and then the 1090, to be followed by the 1190 and end up with the 1290, but now twin parallel:)
 

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The interesting thing would be that in a couple of months, the 990 adventure would appear, and then the 1090, to be followed by the 1190 and end up with the 1290, but now twin parallel:)
Always offering new products. Love 'em or hate 'em...can't say KTM is timid about increasing choices for riders. Might be why their sales increase 15% or more every year. If you believe Stefan Pietrer, they passed Yamaha in sales volume in the US last year.
 

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DD - yes it had that holy windshield. Sorry, but I did not take any pictures. It had lots of side buffeting into the chest area as well as over the top buffeting. It was better than the one on the Nordern though.

Jlq1969 - ok maybe not a real beast like the KTM Super Duke, but it was/is much faster than the Tenere. Top gear roll on at hwy speed was impressive. Faster than the Tenere.

The new bike should be here some time in April. From what 2 different dealers are telling me, they just got 3 Expeditions each for the year. Short supply this year too.
 

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I just spent a few days in Death Valley with a bunch of other riders, over 100 riders and we had the entire campground reserved. Lots of various bikes, didn't see any Super Tenere's though. Plenty of ground in DV would be ok with the ST, but lots of places I went wouldn't have been comfortable for me. Anyway, if you have the chance to get out there....do it! DV has something for everyone.

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I really like Yamaha, but once and awhile I sit back and wonder what the heck might be going on in the long term. Last week I spoke to an old friend that was a Yamaha Corprate executive. He still has his pulse on the industry and knows many "in the know people in the motorcycle world". He and I had a great conversation. And during the conversation it was mentioned about all the bikes that have been discontinued, and several others just dyeing a slow death on the vine. The Tenere 1200 was brought up and we both chuckled. But he then rattled off several other bikes that made me think that this is nothing new. A few things that caught my attention is that he "speculated" that the T700 will go down the same path as the ST12. New colors, never change again. Another thing that surprised me and I needed to go back and do a bit of homework, was the absolute end to their INTIRE cruiser line. They worked for years on the V-Star and the STAR line and they pulled the plug sometime back in 2017 or so. WHY? Why carve out that entire segment and chop it off at the knees.... Have you gone to their web site lately? Look around, not that much selection really, compared to the rest of the industry.

Anyhow, it just looks from the outside that Yamaha is doing the opposite of every other manufacture in the world. Let's build a bike and sit on it for 15 years, then kill it. The other manufactures are updating, changing, tweaking, and introducing new updated models (some more than others)
It just feels strange that a MAJOR industry player is taking this stance in the industry. It looks as if they are putting all the money and resources into Sport bikes, and Motocross bikes. They deliver a brand new, almost completely updated bike every 2-3 years. And each year they both get little engineering changes other than the changing of the paint color. They know how to do it but it seems they don't care like the other manufactures.

Me personally, It doesn't affect me how they run their business. I just sit back and watch from afar. It just seems odd. From what I see, what I know, what they are offering, Yamaha will NOT be in consideration for my next bike purchase..... Why would I spend that much money on my grandpa's old recliner ?
 
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Congratulations!!

That's a heck of a good looking bike. Is that the one I thought was gigantic?
No, those were the dirt oriented Rally versions. Tiger thread here:
 

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I really like Yamaha, but once and awhile I sit back and wonder what the heck might be going on in the long term. Last week I spoke to an old friend that was a Yamaha Corprate executive. He still has his pulse on the industry and knows many "in the know people in the motorcycle world". He and I had a great conversation. And during the conversation it was mentioned about all the bikes that have been discontinued, and several others just dyeing a slow death on the vine. The Tenere 1200 was brought up and we both chuckled. But he then rattled off several other bikes that made me think that this is nothing new. A few things that caught my attention is that he "speculated" that the T700 will go down the same path as the ST12. New colors, never change again. Another thing that surprised me and I needed to go back and do a bit of homework, was the absolute end to their INTIRE cruiser line. They worked for years on the V-Star and the STAR line and they pulled the plug sometime back in 2017 or so. WHY? Why carve out that entire segment and chop it off at the knees.... Have you gone to their web site lately? Look around, not that much selection really, compared to the rest of the industry.

Anyhow, it just looks from the outside that Yamaha is doing the opposite of every other manufacture in the world. Let's build a bike and sit on it for 15 years, then kill it. The other manufactures are updating, changing, tweaking, and introducing new updated models (some more than others)
It just feels strange that a MAJOR industry player is taking this stance in the industry. It looks as if they are putting all the money and resources into Sport bikes, and Motocross bikes. They deliver a brand new, almost completely updated bike every 2-3 years. And each year they both get little engineering changes other than the changing of the paint color. They know how to do it but it seems they don't care like the other manufactures.

Me personally, It doesn't affect me how they run their business. I just sit back and watch from afar. It just seems odd. From what I see, what I know, what they are offering, Yamaha will NOT be in consideration for my next bike purchase..... Why would I spend that much money on my grandpa's old recliner ?
This just kills me because I have literally been waiting for years for Yam to update the Super Tenere.
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After a lifetime of being a Yamaha fan and buying almost exclusively Japanese motorcycles, it's been 6 years since I bought my last one. Started buy European bikes in 2019.

I'll admit at this point I have so much appreciation for the fit, finish, quality, reliability, and performance, that I have a hard time imagining the Japanese manufacturers have any interest in me as a future customer.

I don't feel bad about that. Just the way it is in today's market. I wish them well. Who knows, maybe someday.
 

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I really like Yamaha, but once and awhile I sit back and wonder what the heck might be going on in the long term. Last week I spoke to an old friend that was a Yamaha Corprate executive. He still has his pulse on the industry and knows many "in the know people in the motorcycle world". He and I had a great conversation. And during the conversation it was mentioned about all the bikes that have been discontinued, and several others just dyeing a slow death on the vine. The Tenere 1200 was brought up and we both chuckled. But he then rattled off several other bikes that made me think that this is nothing new. A few things that caught my attention is that he "speculated" that the T700 will go down the same path as the ST12. New colors, never change again. Another thing that surprised me and I needed to go back and do a bit of homework, was the absolute end to their INTIRE cruiser line. They worked for years on the V-Star and the STAR line and they pulled the plug sometime back in 2017 or so. WHY? Why carve out that entire segment and chop it off at the knees.... Have you gone to their web site lately? Look around, not that much selection really, compared to the rest of the industry.

Anyhow, it just looks from the outside that Yamaha is doing the opposite of every other manufacture in the world. Let's build a bike and sit on it for 15 years, then kill it. The other manufactures are updating, changing, tweaking, and introducing new updated models (some more than others)
It just feels strange that a MAJOR industry player is taking this stance in the industry. It looks as if they are putting all the money and resources into Sport bikes, and Motocross bikes. They deliver a brand new, almost completely updated bike every 2-3 years. And each year they both get little engineering changes other than the changing of the paint color. They know how to do it but it seems they don't care like the other manufactures.

Me personally, It doesn't affect me how they run their business. I just sit back and watch from afar. It just seems odd. From what I see, what I know, what they are offering, Yamaha will NOT be in consideration for my next bike purchase..... Why would I spend that much money on my grandpa's old recliner ?

My guess is that Yamaha is forecasting a grim global economy this decade, and they are prioritizing durability in their business over innovation. In a bad enough environment companies that make cut backs first do quite well. Yamaha's business strategy makes an awful lot of sense to me right now, but I can see how it is frustrating to consumers.
 

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My guess is that Yamaha is forecasting a grim global economy this decade, and they are prioritizing durability in their business over innovation. In a bad enough environment companies that make cut backs first do quite well. Yamaha's business strategy makes an awful lot of sense to me right now, but I can see how it is frustrating to consumers.

I agree with your assessment, it makes business sense.... Something doesn't feel right though with Yamaha, here are just two examples. The FJR has be stale since 2008, so for 15 years they have monkeyed around with this same bike. Yes, they have taken some hand controls from other machines, and given it cruise off other machines in the last 15 years..... Thats lame...... The FJR is still 98% the same for 15 years. Im not saying its not a good machine, or was a good machine, its old and the world has advanced. They have not added or changed any note worthy changes to it (IMOP). Look at our Tenere first introduced in Europe in 2010, now 13 years old. And really the list goes on, with MANY more details of course.

Once I again, I really like Yamaha, but when your an average consumer takes a look at the line, what really stands out other than the two sport bikes (600-1000) and the two motocross bikes (250-450)? IMOP, when you look at the rest of there offerings compared to the other 4-5-6 brands, its somewhat boring. Being sarcastic, it's like buying a 10 year old computer and next year it has a fancy cover with LED lights and a glass panel so you can see the fan...... yea, SO WHAT, (Uummmm NO, that's an old ass computer with a new cover and color. What does this sound like) The hardware and software is 10 + years old. The hardware / software are 15-FJR / 13-STT1200 years old on these two bikes, is it not? I think the consumer is NOT the same consumer as 10-15 years ago. They are easily informed and there are a TON of avenues to learn about your new 'vehicle' you're interested in. The average buyer is much smarter than 15 + years ago. (generally)

For me, when I take this for face value and go look at virtually any of the other brands they have a much more updated line up. And it's NOT just frosting paint color with a new sticker on it. I guess Im just disappointed deep down because I want something they are not going to produce. And honestly looks as if they dont really care about several of the segments that I enjoy. I will have to move on to another brand and go with that brand. They will provide what Im wanting and keep the product updated, modern, and what Im looking for. (These are modern features that many of the touring ADV bikes all have these days). Yamaha is ASLEEP,........... WAKE UP ! Hello ????? Are you awake?????? Hello?????

NOPE, STILL ASLEEP.......................................................................................


And to tick me off even more, they have arguably the best dirt bike (motocross) on then market today. Evidently the motor is tremendous. Along with the new R1M1 & R6. Ive read has fantastic motor and some of the very best in electronics. They could pull technology from dirt bike and software and hardware from these departments and have a new "big adventure" bike to rival the top three brands? They have the parts, they have the people, they have the brand loyalty. Why are they throwing the loyalty in the trash? They must be use to it, they threw their entire cruiser STAR line consumer base in the waste basket. I seriously don't get it. :)
 
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