Chaz
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Done a friday pm in at the Yamaha montage line!?
Valve check service, Valve adjustment, General maintenance
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BillWass
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All, a quick story relating to the pics above: that is my bike, and I had no idea.
A little longer story: I bought the bike earlier this year from a dealership who assured me, “they went through the bike”. As I don’t expect dealers to literally rip the bike apart to check bearings, I did want to make sure, for my own safety, everything was up to standard.
Being I was now in the neighborhood of 26k miles, it was time to start my valve check shopping. I stopped in a local Yamaha dealership (here in the Austin area) to talk to the service desk. He asked me the bike make/model and I said Yamaha Super Tenere...his actual reply was, “super what?”
So I decided to find an alternative direction, and stumbled upon this thread.
I reached out to Tabasco who replied to every S10 newbie question I threw at him, and he seemed polite and patient through that entire process (I said “seemed” as I am sure he wasn’t, because I asked a lot of questions, and I am sure he rolled his eyes at a few but still remained very professional).
Well, I moved forward with the service, rode my bike to his location (three hours away) and dropped it off. During the time it was there, he set great expectations for all services, gave me pros and cons for each, didn’t move on anything until we both agreed on it, and was daily sending pics and updates (turns out my swing arm bearings were dry as well).
Seriously one of the better service experiences I have encountered. He did a LOT of work to my bike, and it was all stellar.
After riding it back home, and feeling the differences, I accused him of turning my lovely tractor into an actual motorcycle.
If you had any doubts about his offerings, don’t. If you think you are too far away to be worth it, you’re not. If you only want the most qualified S10 wrencher(s) to work on your bike, you found him.
My dealership experience went South in two words. However, now, I am filled with confidence regarding the overall service and outcome and I highly recommend Tabasco’s work.
Ride safely, all!
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A little longer story: I bought the bike earlier this year from a dealership who assured me, “they went through the bike”. As I don’t expect dealers to literally rip the bike apart to check bearings, I did want to make sure, for my own safety, everything was up to standard.
Being I was now in the neighborhood of 26k miles, it was time to start my valve check shopping. I stopped in a local Yamaha dealership (here in the Austin area) to talk to the service desk. He asked me the bike make/model and I said Yamaha Super Tenere...his actual reply was, “super what?”
So I decided to find an alternative direction, and stumbled upon this thread.
I reached out to Tabasco who replied to every S10 newbie question I threw at him, and he seemed polite and patient through that entire process (I said “seemed” as I am sure he wasn’t, because I asked a lot of questions, and I am sure he rolled his eyes at a few but still remained very professional).
Well, I moved forward with the service, rode my bike to his location (three hours away) and dropped it off. During the time it was there, he set great expectations for all services, gave me pros and cons for each, didn’t move on anything until we both agreed on it, and was daily sending pics and updates (turns out my swing arm bearings were dry as well).
Seriously one of the better service experiences I have encountered. He did a LOT of work to my bike, and it was all stellar.
After riding it back home, and feeling the differences, I accused him of turning my lovely tractor into an actual motorcycle.
If you had any doubts about his offerings, don’t. If you think you are too far away to be worth it, you’re not. If you only want the most qualified S10 wrencher(s) to work on your bike, you found him.
My dealership experience went South in two words. However, now, I am filled with confidence regarding the overall service and outcome and I highly recommend Tabasco’s work.
Ride safely, all!
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AusTexS10
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Not a surprise based on my Austin Yamaha dealership experiences and Yelp reviews I've read about them. Folks around used to be able to rely on the locally-owned dealership.in Georgetown, but Ride Now owns both now. Bummer.
cycledelic relic
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I was NOT impressed with the RN in Georgetown when I traded for my blue 2014 Ten last Fall. Id tell yall all about my experience....but there are too many words involved....lets jus say I got a refund on the "make ready" fee of $388 which helped pay for the 12mm thread repair at a local machine shop. After I explained to the RN manager their options.
I did trade my white 44k Ten with the Austin RN in January....got a sweet 2014 V Strom 1000 without any issues...thank goodness
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I did trade my white 44k Ten with the Austin RN in January....got a sweet 2014 V Strom 1000 without any issues...thank goodness
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This is a cross post I just posted in the '70000 maintenance' thread. It's just a reminder about maintenance that is always important to me, and I simply wanted to pass on some info and maybe a funny story, enjoy.
Short story: $20 bearing blew up.... instead of changing it, it will now be $500-$1000 in parts + all the other expenses and BS "adventure". LOL
Just a fun little side story, a buddy and I (both on Tenere's) took a quick 2000K mile trip to Arkansas for a few days. First off road day he starts to hear "crunching" from the rear brake. We are talking on the intercom and tell him its probably a rock caught in the caliper, lets stop on level ground. No rock, but I start to see some evidence of "something is not right". (my brain goes into overdrive) We are probably 15-20 miles from a paved road and out in the sticks. Long story short- it gets worst and worst. My brain is telling me I know what it probably is but there is nothing we can do this second. We keep the speed really slow and make it to the paved road. Across the street is a SMALL restaurant. We are so far out in the stick non of our phones work, but one cell phone from the restaurant owner works... We give him $10 and bum his phone. LOL
We start stripping down the rear end of the bike, the rear wheel bearing has blown up. SUPER blown up. Just as I pulled the wheel out of the swing arm the 'square' bearings fell out on the gravel parking lot. The outer wear 'core' of the outer race was wadded up and peeled off the hard outer race. (I dont think I've ever seen anything like that before) and the inner race had chunks broken off of it. At some point the bearing seized and broke the ABS sensor tab off the ABS disc and spun the disc around. The ripped off the ABS sensor and tore the hell out of that ABS disc and the inside of the rear hub. So much so we might have to look into replacing the rear hub. And of course the ABS disc. Etc, Etc, Etc
This bike has 115K miles and this is not the first time the bearing has blown up. I replaced the first fried bearing at about 40K and then at about 80K we replaced it out of caution, and now at 115K it blew up again. At 80K we replaced all the wheel bearings. But this rear non-drive bearing has always been the ISSUE.
EVERYONE has there own ideas and thoughts on service, but in THIS case, a $20 bearing would have saved $500-$1000 in parts.
He got his bike towed to the Yamaha shop 2.5 hours away, I road back to where we were staying, that was 2+ hours of dirt roads and super twisty bad ass roads! The tow truck guy was a 'gas' and was driving like a mad man to get him there before they closed, he did. The tow truck service charge was really inexpensive under the circumstances, after he dropped off the bike the tow truck guy gave my buddy a ride back 30 minutes to our starting location. He was totally cool about it! The next morning my buddy gets a ride back into town to Yamaha and they work on his bike for a few hours and get it 'back together' and charged him something like $100... Super awesome! Then we spent the next days having a great time and everything else was uneventful "for the most part" ! LOL As always there is more to the story ! LOL Me, accidentally hitting a large rain 'stopper' bump across the road in the middle of a dirt road at about 55Mph off-road. Jumping the Super Tenere like a Super Cross bike 10 feet in the air... That was fun, NOT... no crash... Another story. ..... I cant wait to put my bike up for sale one day, and have the beans to say, "never been off road". LOL
Now that we are both back safe and sound he will be ordering all the parts and I will be re building the rear wheel area.
I did learn something new, when the wheel bearing failed, the hub 'fell down' at some point. It shoved the ABS sensor into the ABS pick up ring. It wiped the ring "off". Its basically only a metal ring now, no more black. After he got the bike back from Yamaha there is no ABS, there is no speedometer and the dash looks like a Christmas tree. And there is no odometer or trip odometer. I know why and understand how Yamaha does things now with that sensor, but I didnt at that moment. But just a FYI for anyone that might damage that rear ABS sensor. Yamaha uses that for several things.
#3 is the bearing that blew up.
#22 is totally screwed and ground into a donut
#6 is basically nothing any longer
#4 looked like it had two bullet holes shot through it
#1 is machined and damaged
#5 needs to be cleaned up
**New rear ABS sensor
Also, the disc fell into the rear caliper carrier. It shaved off quite a bit of aluminum. So much so that im concerned about fracture. We will probably look for a used one to replace the damaged one.
The rear disc is just about ready to be changed again, so that was a given. But when it fell into the carrier it wore some nice gouges into the out side rotor surface. Lovely. LOL
Keep an eye on the wheel bearings. If they are not smooth as silk you might "consider" throwing in a new one. It might save you a ton of cash, safety, frustration !
(Also, the #2 bearing probably was under stress when the other bearing failed. It had some funky loads on it, we will be replacing all the bearings im sure.)
Was all this worth $20 ? LOL
Short story: $20 bearing blew up.... instead of changing it, it will now be $500-$1000 in parts + all the other expenses and BS "adventure". LOL
Just a fun little side story, a buddy and I (both on Tenere's) took a quick 2000K mile trip to Arkansas for a few days. First off road day he starts to hear "crunching" from the rear brake. We are talking on the intercom and tell him its probably a rock caught in the caliper, lets stop on level ground. No rock, but I start to see some evidence of "something is not right". (my brain goes into overdrive) We are probably 15-20 miles from a paved road and out in the sticks. Long story short- it gets worst and worst. My brain is telling me I know what it probably is but there is nothing we can do this second. We keep the speed really slow and make it to the paved road. Across the street is a SMALL restaurant. We are so far out in the stick non of our phones work, but one cell phone from the restaurant owner works... We give him $10 and bum his phone. LOL
We start stripping down the rear end of the bike, the rear wheel bearing has blown up. SUPER blown up. Just as I pulled the wheel out of the swing arm the 'square' bearings fell out on the gravel parking lot. The outer wear 'core' of the outer race was wadded up and peeled off the hard outer race. (I dont think I've ever seen anything like that before) and the inner race had chunks broken off of it. At some point the bearing seized and broke the ABS sensor tab off the ABS disc and spun the disc around. The ripped off the ABS sensor and tore the hell out of that ABS disc and the inside of the rear hub. So much so we might have to look into replacing the rear hub. And of course the ABS disc. Etc, Etc, Etc
This bike has 115K miles and this is not the first time the bearing has blown up. I replaced the first fried bearing at about 40K and then at about 80K we replaced it out of caution, and now at 115K it blew up again. At 80K we replaced all the wheel bearings. But this rear non-drive bearing has always been the ISSUE.
EVERYONE has there own ideas and thoughts on service, but in THIS case, a $20 bearing would have saved $500-$1000 in parts.
He got his bike towed to the Yamaha shop 2.5 hours away, I road back to where we were staying, that was 2+ hours of dirt roads and super twisty bad ass roads! The tow truck guy was a 'gas' and was driving like a mad man to get him there before they closed, he did. The tow truck service charge was really inexpensive under the circumstances, after he dropped off the bike the tow truck guy gave my buddy a ride back 30 minutes to our starting location. He was totally cool about it! The next morning my buddy gets a ride back into town to Yamaha and they work on his bike for a few hours and get it 'back together' and charged him something like $100... Super awesome! Then we spent the next days having a great time and everything else was uneventful "for the most part" ! LOL As always there is more to the story ! LOL Me, accidentally hitting a large rain 'stopper' bump across the road in the middle of a dirt road at about 55Mph off-road. Jumping the Super Tenere like a Super Cross bike 10 feet in the air... That was fun, NOT... no crash... Another story. ..... I cant wait to put my bike up for sale one day, and have the beans to say, "never been off road". LOL
Now that we are both back safe and sound he will be ordering all the parts and I will be re building the rear wheel area.
I did learn something new, when the wheel bearing failed, the hub 'fell down' at some point. It shoved the ABS sensor into the ABS pick up ring. It wiped the ring "off". Its basically only a metal ring now, no more black. After he got the bike back from Yamaha there is no ABS, there is no speedometer and the dash looks like a Christmas tree. And there is no odometer or trip odometer. I know why and understand how Yamaha does things now with that sensor, but I didnt at that moment. But just a FYI for anyone that might damage that rear ABS sensor. Yamaha uses that for several things.
#3 is the bearing that blew up.
#22 is totally screwed and ground into a donut
#6 is basically nothing any longer
#4 looked like it had two bullet holes shot through it
#1 is machined and damaged
#5 needs to be cleaned up
**New rear ABS sensor
Also, the disc fell into the rear caliper carrier. It shaved off quite a bit of aluminum. So much so that im concerned about fracture. We will probably look for a used one to replace the damaged one.
The rear disc is just about ready to be changed again, so that was a given. But when it fell into the carrier it wore some nice gouges into the out side rotor surface. Lovely. LOL
Keep an eye on the wheel bearings. If they are not smooth as silk you might "consider" throwing in a new one. It might save you a ton of cash, safety, frustration !
(Also, the #2 bearing probably was under stress when the other bearing failed. It had some funky loads on it, we will be replacing all the bearings im sure.)
Was all this worth $20 ? LOL
WJBertrand
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Why do you think it breaks? .... loses lubrication and remains dry? .... Is the bearing of poor quality? .... does water enter?....should that bearing be bigger?
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I feel its a good quality bearing. my buddies bike has about 115K miles. But it seems that he is getting about 40K miles on each of those rear non-drive side bearings. Ive never pulled the seal off his bearing before they blew up. Im not totally sure. I will changing out my set this winter just as a preventative measure.
Boris
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Tabasco, in your post #25 above, does part number 6 have to come off to change the bearing on that side. It might well be obvious once I next have the wheel out, but thought I’d ask while here
Ta
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I believe #6 is the ABS magnetized rotor which seats in the wheel hub,
it shouldn't be necessary to remove it to remove that side bearing
Besides very nIce and informative post from Tabasco !
I've heard also from a guy which had a bearing exploded too that he was smelling like "burned plastic:" from the bike in the period just before the explosion...
it shouldn't be necessary to remove it to remove that side bearing
Besides very nIce and informative post from Tabasco !
I've heard also from a guy which had a bearing exploded too that he was smelling like "burned plastic:" from the bike in the period just before the explosion...
If you search in the forum, there are "several" who have broken that bearing
It would be interesting to know, if the bearing was dry (without grease)... or rusty when it broke
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Tabasco, in your post #25 above, does part number 6 have to come off to change the bearing on that side. It might well be obvious once I next have the wheel out, but thought I’d ask while here
Ta
No,..... normally its out of the way for everything and no one ever needs to think about it... You can change the dust seal and the bearing without removing it.
NOTE: the ring is a magnet. I have ridden off road around the country and found some places to have lots of iron in the soil / dust. This iron stuck to the ABS ring and makes it act funny. Make sure to clean the ring off every time you have the rear or front wheel off the bike.
Boris
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Thanks Tabasco.
Yep - that's my machine. Lots of blessings to be counted in that story. 1) The dealer had a bearing in stock. 2) The tow truck got there in time. 3) The tow truck took me back to the hotel. 4) A fellow rider gave me a ride back to the dealer. 5) The repairs let me thrash on the bike for two more days in Arkansas and got me home.
SkunkWorks
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I would get a NEW #5
If cleaning it up makes it even a "Hair" shorter, you will have bearing failure in short time.
My theory as to why the outside "Non-drive" side bearing keeps failing, is that either #5 is already "Shorter" than factory spec, or the bearing wasn't fully seated up against it.
If this is the case, and you go ahead and torque the axle, you will be putting side-load on the #3 bearing. They are designed for absolutely ZERO side-load.
Since the #2 and #11 bearings have their own spacers between themselves and the left side drive assembly, they would not experience this same side-loading, and is the reason that only the #3 bearing is the one that fails. Remember that the right side of the swingarm is "Free-Floating" in this design (until you lock it in place with the single pinch-bolt)
If cleaning it up makes it even a "Hair" shorter, you will have bearing failure in short time.
My theory as to why the outside "Non-drive" side bearing keeps failing, is that either #5 is already "Shorter" than factory spec, or the bearing wasn't fully seated up against it.
If this is the case, and you go ahead and torque the axle, you will be putting side-load on the #3 bearing. They are designed for absolutely ZERO side-load.
Since the #2 and #11 bearings have their own spacers between themselves and the left side drive assembly, they would not experience this same side-loading, and is the reason that only the #3 bearing is the one that fails. Remember that the right side of the swingarm is "Free-Floating" in this design (until you lock it in place with the single pinch-bolt)
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Absolutely ! I should have been more clear. It has a few sharp burrs on it that I need kick off with a wire wheel. I would never grind or sand on it because of the facts you stated.
Thats a great point you bring up when others read these type post.
Thanks
Thats a great point you bring up when others read these type post.
Thanks
SkunkWorks
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You might want to get a new one anyway.....................If there are "Burrs" on it, then that means something must have ground into it when the bearing failed.
It may already be shorter than it should?