suspension settings

[big dave]

I'm fairly confident about most aspects of bike maintenance but I find the black art of suspension setup a bit of a mystery, I run stock suspension and was wondering if I could plagurise someone else's settings. I weigh in at about 250 lbs.
Care to share your settings with me?

BD

 

[avc8130]

At 250lb there is NOTHING you can do with the stock suspension to make it work PROPERLY.

Start with max preload on both front and rear.

Since you will not be able to get close to proper rear sag, lower the front 5-10mm by raising the fork tubes in the triples.

Set the rebound on the rear shock and front forks so the bike returns "controlled" and doesn't over-travel when you bounce on it. Start with the forks by pushing down and DO NOT pull up at all. Then move on to the rear, adjusting so the front and rear work in unison.

Then adjust front compression to comfortable, starting somewhere in the middle of the range.

When you are ready to get serious, look for an aftermarket rear shock along with proper front fork springs and re-valving.

ac

 

[Karson]

Are there any serious players in the suspension market for the S10? I had a full Ricor setup on my KLR and it rocked my socks off, so anybody in the Las Vegas area looking for a setup should contact them for fitment!

I know Phil had put an Ohlin setup on his, but their website doesn't mention having anything available yet.

 

[avc8130]

Are there any serious players in the suspension market for the S10? I had a full Ricor setup on my KLR and it rocked my socks off, so anybody in the Las Vegas area looking for a setup should contact them for fitment!

I know Phil had put an Ohlin setup on his, but their website doesn't mention having anything available yet.

Ohlins currently offers a shock.

Traxxion is about to offer AK-20s for the forks.

I am working with Penske to develop a shock AND fork solution, but progress has been admittedly slow.

ac

 

[fredz43]

Are there any serious players in the suspension market for the S10? I had a full Ricor setup on my KLR and it rocked my socks off, so anybody in the Las Vegas area looking for a setup should contact them for fitment!

I know Phil had put an Ohlin setup on his, but their website doesn't mention having anything available yet.

Karson,

I also did the full Ricor conversion on my 08 KLR and it transformed that bike. Probably the best suspension I have ever experienced at a lot less than most aftermarket setups. If they made a shock and fork setup for the S10, I would buy that in a minute. I don't hink they have done any research on the S10 though.

 

[Firefight911]

Are there any serious players in the suspension market for the S10? I had a full Ricor setup on my KLR and it rocked my socks off, so anybody in the Las Vegas area looking for a setup should contact them for fitment!

I know Phil had put an Ohlin setup on his, but their website doesn't mention having anything available yet.

I have Traxxion Dynamics front springs in a linear rate. I have the Ohlin's in the rear. F'ing fantastic what this has done for the bike!!!!! Better balance, supple, controlled, and confidence inspiring.

People can say whatever they want but getting the proper rate springs under this bike with proper damping will and does transform this bike beyond anything else you can do to it. At 250 lbs the rates are too soft and the front dual rate spring too harsh in conjunction with the damping characteristic. I'm 215 lbs and it is still too under sprung.

I worked hand in hand with James Siddall at Super Plush Suspension - http://www.superplushsuspension.com/
- and he has the ability to really get in to the bike with regard to suspension. He has the complete service manual for the Super Tenere and a fact based and experienced resume and understanding of suspension beyond what is needed to transform your bike in to what you want it to be.

 

[~TABASCO~]

I'm definitely going to keep on eye on this tread... Read all about what people like and what product they have chosen. In the future I think this is something im going to get for this bike. New front and rear suspension set up.... ::26::

 

[Firefight911]

I need to update the suspension link with my Ohlin's portion but give these a read.....

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=3495.msg61981#msg61981

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=3172.msg55253#msg55253

::008::

 

[houndman]

When I look at the manual it says max load on the bike is 208kg(459lbs). To say that there is nothing I can do to make the bike work properly if 250 lbs seems odd to me. I can see where aftermarket components will improve what is there but I would think that those that engineered the bike might know where the peramiter for safe/unsafe proper or unproper lies? Just a passenger alone will thrust weight upwards of 300 plus pounds not even mentioning the luggage. What kind of riding are we talking about here? I know that suspension changes on my 250 lb KTM made huge differences but that specified that the bike was set up for a rider up to 200 lbs.

 

[avc8130]

When I look at the manual it says max load on the bike is 208kg(459lbs). To say that there is nothing I can do to make the bike work properly if 250 lbs seems odd to me. I can see where aftermarket components will improve what is there but I would think that those that engineered the bike might know where the peramiter for safe/unsafe proper or unproper lies? Just a passenger alone will thrust weight upwards of 300 plus pounds not even mentioning the luggage. What kind of riding are we talking about here? I know that suspension changes on my 250 lb KTM made huge differences but that specified that the bike was set up for a rider up to 200 lbs.

I will answer this by charging you to perform and experiment.

It is widely accepted that proper rider sag for a street motorcycle is approximately 1/3 of total suspension travel.

Get 2 people, attempt to set your front and rear sag. Come back with accurate numbers and we will talk from there.

For fun, grab your significant other or a few bags of sand and pop them on the passenger seat, get up to 460lbs if you can. Take the sag numbers again.

I have a feeling you will be AMAZED.

ac

 

[MurphCO]

I was hoping there was something in here like "Set it to 6"



this seems like a huge pain in the ass to mess with

 

[avc8130]

I was hoping there was something in here like "Set it to 6"



this seems like a huge pain in the ass to mess with

Most areas have local bike shops that can help with initial setups. I could suggest 2 in the NJ/PA area. Unfortunately that doesn't really help you in Colorado.

ac

 

[Firefight911]

I was hoping there was something in here like "Set it to 6"



this seems like a huge pain in the ass to mess with

Really? PITA??

A real PITA would be not enjoying your ride or having an unfortunate accident due to not taking the whole hour it takes to actually learn and apply basic suspension knowledge. Now that would really be a PITA.

This comment is not a direct attack on YOU. It is, however, an expression of a complete lack of understanding as to why people think all this suspension stuff is so difficult and "black magic" like. There is not one farkle, accessory, item, or thing anyone can do to a bike that pays exponential dividends more than basic suspension set up.

 

[avc8130]

Really? PITA??

A real PITA would be not enjoying your ride or having an unfortunate accident due to not taking the whole hour it takes to actually learn and apply basic suspension knowledge. Now that would really be a PITA.

This comment is not a direct attack on YOU. It is, however, an expression of a complete lack of understanding as to why people think all this suspension stuff is so difficult and "black magic" like. There is not one farkle, accessory, item, or thing anyone can do to a bike that pays exponential dividends more than basic suspension set up.

"The best you know is the best you've ridden."

Words don't work, I've tried for years.

ac

 

[Firefight911]

"The best you know is the best you've ridden."

Words don't work, I've tried for years.

ac

So true. So very true!!!


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[houndman]

What is the stock spring set up for max as far as rider weight goes?

 

[houndman]

I will answer this by charging you to perform and experiment.

It is widely accepted that proper rider sag for a street motorcycle is approximately 1/3 of total suspension travel.

Get 2 people, attempt to set your front and rear sag. Come back with accurate numbers and we will talk from there.

For fun, grab your significant other or a few bags of sand and pop them on the passenger seat, get up to 460lbs if you can. Take the sag numbers again.

I have a feeling you will be AMAZED.

ac

I know what you are saying, done it on other bikes, just not on a huge enduro. I'll pass on the experiment, I'm gonna eventually get some stuff done on the Yamaha.

 

[avc8130]

What is the stock spring set up for max as far as rider weight goes?

I'm not sure what Yamaha had in mind, but most guys 200+ can't seem to get proper sag with just them on the bike.

ac

 

[avc8130]

I know what you are saying, done it on other bikes, just not on a huge enduro. I'll pass on the experiment, I'm gonna eventually get some stuff done on the Yamaha.

Then frustration must be the only reason you referenced Yamaha's claim that 460lbs could be carried on the bike.

The way to look at THAT is like this:

Say you buy a pickup truck that has a GVWR of 9200lbs and the truck alone weighs 7200lbs. That means you can theoretically carry 2k lbs of extra cargo.

Would you expect that truck to handle exactly the same with 0 cargo and 2k lbs of cargo? Heck, would you expect it to handle IDEAL over the entire varying range?

Of course the truck cannot. This is why companies sell air bags and load levelers. They don't add to the GVWR, but they help everything cope with the different loadings to improve handling and ultimately safety.

The same is true for your bike. Sure, you could throw 460lbs of people and gear on your bike with the factory suspension. It certainly would not handle IDEAL, but you would get where you want to go.

Aftermarket springs and suspension help tailor the bike to YOUR desired use.

Make sense?

ac

 

[houndman]

Then frustration must be the only reason you referenced Yamaha's claim that 460lbs could be carried on the bike.

The way to look at THAT is like this:

Say you buy a pickup truck that has a GVWR of 9200lbs and the truck alone weighs 7200lbs. That means you can theoretically carry 2k lbs of extra cargo.

Would you expect that truck to handle exactly the same with 0 cargo and 2k lbs of cargo? Heck, would you expect it to handle IDEAL over the entire varying range?

Of course the truck cannot. This is why companies sell air bags and load levelers. They don't add to the GVWR, but they help everything cope with the different loadings to improve handling and ultimately safety.

The same is true for your bike. Sure, you could throw 460lbs of people and gear on your bike with the factory suspension. It certainly would not handle IDEAL, but you would get where you want to go.

Aftermarket springs and suspension help tailor the bike to YOUR desired use.

Make sense?

ac

Understood. You make a good point with the GVWR. I'm sure it would be quite somthing with 460 lbs of people and gear on the bike. I am deceptively heavy at 265,(equates to I don't look like a fat a$$) which means I will not be within a range of optimal suspension on the stock bike. I used to drive big rigs for several years, so the whole gvwr,,gcvwr, is clear to me,( in LE now). I love to ride and being that I am in this bike for the long haul, I will look seriously into making the suspension better. ::008::