Super Tenere or Tracer GT?

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Debating getting a lightly used Gen II S10 or the Tracer GT, which is the latest greatest version of the FJ-09. I'd use it for tarmac touring mainly as I have an XT250 for running around town. The S10 would be about 2 grand less than the Tracer, 3.3 grand less if I bought the OEM side cases for the Tracer.

Any advice? :)




 

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I'd pick the Tracer myself. That's a hard sell here though!


Then again........I don't ride my S10 off-road..........and I never really fell in love with the S10's engine.
 

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Definitely try to ride both. While they look similar, they feel completely different.

I've ridden an FJ-09 and didn't like it at all, S10 fit what I was looking for a lot better. I'm sure there are people out there that feel the exact opposite.
 

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I have had two Super Tenere. The first was a first generation 2012 Super Tenere and the second is a second generation 2015 Super Tenere ES. Liked the 2012 but it was constantly a challenge. When it blew up at 52,200 miles I traded it in for the 2015 ES. Took six months and a change in tires, Mitas E-07 Dakar, for the 2015 ES to become fun and dependable. The factory upgrades helped with the Like. Little heavy for the slow and off-road stuff though excellent to travel with. Has more power than this rider needs and more than enough to make narrow twisties roads create a big smile that gets in the way of my vision (yeah sure).

Have wanted a 900 cc for a long time. The 2019 Tracer 900 GT sounds like something I will like to play on the So Many Fun roads in all directions of Sacramento and for shorter trips.

The Super Tenere and Tracer are made for two different styles of riding. If you are going to only have one of them... you need to decide what type(s) of riding you do and want to do.

QUESTION: Is the Tracer 900 GT a first generation? I told myself I would not buy another first generation again.
 

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I like the Tracer a lot and it is a blast to ride, but there are too many deal breakers for me:

Lack of factory Cruise
Lack of factory heated grips
Chain drive ( don't like getting grease on the pants and the extra maint)
smaller frame (I ride 2-up a lot and seat room is necessary)
Lighter weight (both a plus and minus-I ride interstate at 75 mph a lot and do not like getting blown around from other vehicle wind currents)
Smaller engine (both a plus and minus-I love the 3 cyl for single, but again ride 2-up a lot and want the extra cc's for passing and maneuvering)

It depends how you ride. If I were mostly a single rider on county roads or in town I would take the Tracer.
 

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Hi. For info only the Tracer GT comes with heated grips and cruise control as standard in Uk according to Ride Magazine July issue.
But I love my S10 because no chain maintenance great engine off road ability great touring bike engine sound and the way the bike rides so smooth and easy when underway. Linked brakes are brill. She’s a stayer!


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I would consider a Tracer to replace my commuter Kawasaki Versys 650
But not replace my Super Tenere!!!

Tracer windscreen just terrible for touring, vibrates and not stable - it a Big "V".
Tracer is a hoon bike. it will awake a beast within you - can you control it!
Tracer would not be choice for long two up touring... bags are ok for a quick weekend away and pillion will suffer on the long days on that seat.
 

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Saw on ADV that you decided on the Tenere. As mentioned over there, I liked the FJ09 for about 10-15 minutes, till the locked-in position of the seat and pegs got to me.
 

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How does somebody not fall in love with the Tenere motor. In "S" it has plenty of "snap". I, personally, think that the FJR motor is the best all round motor EVER. But even at 300lbs, solo, and 450lbs, with passenger, the Tenere will move....quickly. But, I am a tarmac rider, and I can see where 600lbs off-road would be a handful. To each their own; plenty of choices. ::001::
 

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Sierra1 said:
How does somebody not fall in love with the Tenere motor. In "S" it has plenty of "snap".
I can appreciate that on a test ride the Tenere may not inspire.

I just happened to watch this video yesterday and I thought the guy did a very good job showing the process of learning to appreciate the Tenere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPXAA1hFZNY

He had negative comment after negative comment on the bike, but in the end...
 

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I stand corrected: it does come with factory cruise and heated grips. Huh, I may have to give it a closer look. I love the smoothness of that 3-cyl engine. Last summer I took an FZ-09 for a test ride and did not want to bring it back.... That shorty exhaust has a nice bark as well.
 

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Sierra1 said:
How does somebody not fall in love with the Tenere motor. In "S" it has plenty of "snap".
Touring mode boring, sport mode, yes, you said it, "snap". Not smooth and too much decompression on decel.
Got to keep it up in RPMs or it lugs. Most other bikes I've had it will just pull out of it without much gripe.

I know, needs the flash, but then, a new seat too.......................so for ANOTHER grand it would be finally fixed?!
Guess I'm just a pessimist!

Oh, did I mention you'll never get rid of the weight.

I admit though, if I got rid of it I just might regret it later.
 

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ace50 said:
Touring mode boring, sport mode, yes, you said it, "snap". Not smooth and too much decompression on decel.
Got to keep it up in RPMs or it lugs. Most other bikes I've had it will just pull out of it without much gripe.

I know, needs the flash, but then, a new seat too.......................so for ANOTHER grand it would be finally fixed?!
Guess I'm just a pessimist!

Oh, did I mention you'll never get rid of the weight.

I admit though, if I got rid of it I just might regret it later.
Anthony will reflash it for $225. It should be the first mod anyone does. It LITERALLY transforms the bike and I don't use that term loosely. Don't spend any more money or make any plans to get rid of the bike until you ride a S10 that has been flashed by Anthony. The reviews of the "before and after" flash are universally positive. Someone would have to be a very committed pessimist to think we are all nuts!
 

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I've pm'd him twice about a reflash with no response . Is there another way to reach him ? Is he still doing this ?
 

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The early reviews are out now for the tracer. I watched a short 7 minute one and the take away was that is was pretty good all around. Great brakes. Okay windshield with excellent one handed adjustment, but a little flexy. Easily adjustable suspension on the GT. And more overall room than previous versions. Light weight. Complaints were buzzy engine between 5000 and 8000 rpm. And it did not have the expected high speed stability that a sport tourer should have. A little squirrely I think he said. Now, the buzzyness I could probably live with. I've had bikes that were reviewed as buzzy and thought they were fine, others I hated. Who knows what frequencies we can meld with? But stability at speed is something I require. I even find different shields on my tenere to be deal breakers in that regard. So, I think I'll pass, though I too, was giving it some thought.
 
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I can chime in as I feel qualified based on my recent experience. Here are my recent Yamahas in chronological order, and my thoughts:

1) 2015 FJ-09, purchased May of 2015. (I put 9500 miles on this one)
- I had nearly bought a '14 FJR, but when I felt the torque of that triple, I had to have it.
- I tried a S10 at a demo day shortly after and was severely underwhelmed (note: you can't really "open it up" on those rides.)
- I rode the FJ-09 for 9500 miles and got sick of buffeting, crappy seat, vibration, a bunch of other little things that bothered me.
- I thought of putting a bunch of $$$ in it to upgrade everything, but decided to buy a used FJR to try it out for a while, as maybe an FJR would have those problems
rectified from stock.

2) 2008 FJR (I put about 3000 miles on this one)
- I bought this while I still had the FJ-09. I borrowed for the FJ-09, so, even though I loved the FJR, I decided it didn't make sense to keep it. I sold it and missed it instantly.

3) 2015 FJR (I've put 19,000 miles on this one so far)
- One year to the day after buying the FJ-09, coincidentally, I traded in the FJ-09 on the FJR. I have since had zero regrets.
- The FJR is oh so sweet, and handles like a speed boat on calm water through the twisties.
- Yes, the FJ-09 is a "fun" bike. But not set up for a lot of commuting, touring, etc. It's a fun weekender bike for short journeys. And maybe that's what you want it for. It's marginally faster exiting corners than the FJR, but that didn't make up for its weaknesses, IMO.
- I miss the triple at times, but I don't miss anything else. The 1300 is a far more capable engine all around, even if the triple insists on trying to lift the wheel in the first 2 or 3 gears.

4) 2012 Tenere (I put about 3000 miles on this one)
- Similar to what I did with the 2008 FJR, I decided to buy a used S10 to see if it was more to my tastes. I bought the '12 and, while the engine isn't weak, the engine isn't as spunky as the triple or 1300. That said, it also feels right at home at non-felonious levels of speed. Whereas the FJR really, really invites one to do speeds that could be detrimental to one's liberty.
- To be honest, I don't even feel like I really maximized this bike's potential, but I still miss it. I never properly dialed in the suspension. And the older and somewhat worn Mitas 007 tires, while good on rough terrain, did not inspire the utmost confidence in the twisties.
- Ultimately, I sold the S10, and felt the same sense of loss that I did when I sold the 2008 FJR. Ever since the bike left I've regretted selling it, and I've seriously considered trading in the FJR on a new Tenere, I just refuse to lose so much on yet another new bike (which would require significant farkling to get to where my last bike was). I've been scoping for the right used one pretty much since my 2012 left. And the good news is I think I've found it.

5) 2012 Tenere (Miles TBD)
- Well, I recently found another attractive used S10 here on the forum. I'm flying to get it here shortly. The S10 really is suitable for my purposes. I have an interest in dirt roads, and I feel like I can load down the S10 a bit more comfortably than the FJR.
- I also really like the ergos on the S10. The FJR is decent, but the S10 is, I think, more comfortable after several hours. The Tracer is also a more upright riding position, but I still think it lacks in many ways I am not interest in tolerating or compensating for.
- I considered flashing my last one, and might flash this one. Time will tell. I also look forward to trying the S10 with more street-oriented tires than the Mitas 007 at some point, to see how it handles on twisties.
- While I might again have to sell one or the other, I'm planning to keep both for as long as possible. However, I'm inclined to think I might part with the FJR next time, and keep the S10. I literally had both bikes posted last time and decided to sell whichever got a bite first. While I know I'd miss the refined smooth power of the FJR, I think the Tenere is a more versatile bike.

Upshot:
- The Tracer, like the FJ-09, likely is a fine machine and might be suited to what you want. But the Tenere (and the FJR for that matter) is a whole different caliber of bike.
- I've sometimes thought about buying another FJ-09 to rip around on. But, really, the enjoyment would begin and end with the first few twists of the throttle when that grunty triple lights up.
- That said, the FJR and the S10 both have power to spare, and can carry the weight and provide much desired comfort in the event you do decide to take off (on or off road) for several days. In any case, I'd still lean towards the S10 over the Tracer, notwithstanding pavement-only intentions.
- Last time I had to choose between the FJR and the S10 I couldn't; I know I would have missed either bike, but to do it over I think I might like to spend a little more time with the Tenere for now. The FJ-09 or the Tracer are not on the list, at least for me. I was well ready to get rid of mine when I did.
- To sum it up, for me, I like my FJR and might just stick with it alone if my ambitions involved only pavement. I want the S10 for it's versatility, and for pavement-only riding it's either a tie for first or a very close second. After a year on the FJ-09, I've put twice as many miles and twice as much time on the FJR, and I have zero regrets about switching. A set of heli risers probably would improve the ergos of the FJR, but I like the 2-bike solution better due to the added versatility of the S10. Of course, this preference is my own; I want more out of the FJ-09 (or Tracer) than it is designed to deliver. But it might be just the ticket for you.
 
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greenwall said:
The early reviews are out now for the tracer. I watched a short 7 minute one and the take away was that is was pretty good all around. Great brakes. Okay windshield with excellent one handed adjustment, but a little flexy. Easily adjustable suspension on the GT. And more overall room than previous versions. Light weight. Complaints were buzzy engine between 5000 and 8000 rpm. And it did not have the expected high speed stability that a sport tourer should have. A little squirrely I think he said. Now, the buzzyness I could probably live with. I've had bikes that were reviewed as buzzy and thought they were fine, others I hated. Who knows what frequencies we can meld with? But stability at speed is something I require. I even find different shields on my tenere to be deal breakers in that regard. So, I think I'll pass, though I too, was giving it some thought.
Sounds pretty much like my FJ-09... Aside from the more overall room, which I imagine is slight, and the one-handed windshield adjustment (the previous one took two).
 
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