Thanks, but I was looking for someone on this side of the pond. Perhaps a group purchase between 4 or 5 of us in the UK/europe could sort somthing out. I did see the OldRider post, but he thinks it's better to get them over here, probably due to postage costs. I don't ride off road and I have never lost a spoke, even years ago when all bikes had them. I seem to be getting more "belt and braces/suspenders" as I get older