Side stand too short

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I parked my Ten at a bike shop today and put my left foot down and was at a bad angle due a very uneven parking lot but I did manage to save the day with my left foot.,it was very close to a tip over. I only managed to set the side stand.
Well, when I was about to depart I sat on the bike and was unable to roll the bike level so I could retract the side stand. WTF??
I called upon another rider who also was about to depart and requested a hand to enable me to get upright. Whew!!!
I'm going to attach a foot plate to restrict the bike from leaning too far to the left with the side stand down, something I have noticed since I got my bike very recently.
My perception or conclusion is Yamaha has a design malfunction.
Comments greatly appreciated.
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The bike will lean quite a bit, depending on your suspension settings. Some find it necessary to add some thickness to the side stand foot. Hockey puck is one trick. Others have made thicker and larger side stand feet. Some have modified the length of the side stand as well.

You get used to it too. When I mount the bike, I step on the left foot peg, throw my leg over and weight the right foot peg to pivot the bike upright. This helps greatly when the bike is not on level ground and has more lean than is comfortable. I have taller custom suspension, so it has more lean than stock to begin with. It's a practiced maneuver.
 

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The bike will lean quite a bit, depending on your suspension settings. Some find it necessary to add some thickness to the side stand foot. Hockey puck is one trick. Others have made thicker and larger side stand feet. Some have modified the length of the side stand as well.

You get used to it too. When I mount the bike, I step on the left foot peg, throw my leg over and weight the right foot peg to pivot the bike upright. This helps greatly when the bike is not on level ground and has more lean than is comfortable. I have taller custom suspension, so it has more lean than stock to begin with. It's a practiced maneuver.
OK, thanks Eric, probably a learning curve for me. Standing on the right hand foot peg may help to load or bias the suspension to my favour. (favor)
All said, the side stand is too short.
I'll definitely put a foot plate on the side stand to reduce the lean.
I did some measurements comparing both with and without a piece of aluminium plate that I will likely use to fabricate an extension to the side stand.
It's aluminium, 6.2 mm or 1/4 inch thick
A hockey puck is about 50 mm or so, oops sorry about 2 inches thick. Me thinks that would be overkill
Hmmmm when will you guys join the metric world???
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A standard hockey puck is 25mm thick. Not sure what league you're playing in... :eek:

In all seriousness, a couple of people have used the hockey puck method, but I seem to recall most people find the sweet spot to be about ~16mm, (5/8"). Junior pucks are smaller in diameter and thickness, around 63mm dia. Not sure how thick. Some souvenir pucks are thinner too.
 

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A standard hockey puck is 25mm thick. Not sure what league you're playing in... :eek:

In all seriousness, a couple of people have used the hockey puck method, but I seem to recall most people find the sweet spot to be about ~16mm, (5/8"). Junior pucks are smaller in diameter and thickness, around 63mm dia. Not sure how thick. Some souvenir pucks are thinner too.
EricV, you are correct, a hockey puck is an inch in thickness.
While on the subject, what's the best method to attach a puck or a plate to the side stand?
I'm reluctant to drill any holes in my side stand.
Thanks for the correction.
Mea culpa
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It was easier to drill the Gen I steel side stand foot. All of the home made extensions I've seen in person or on the forum have had holes drilled thru the foot, some used various adhesives as well. The ones on the market all use a form of clamping system with two pieces, one on top and one underneath.

At this point, I would suggest that the simplest method would be to purchase an inexpensive foot enlarger, then get some longer bolts locally and install it with a spacer, that 6.2mm aluminum comes to mind. Or just buy THIS and it may be just what you need.
 

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My bike is the complete opposite, the drive or in the garage is perfectly flat so its ok. When out or about I have to be very careful as the bike stands too upright and I'm fearful it will topple over to the right. So I would benefits from a bit more lean.
Bike is a 2014 set for one person with no luggage.

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Every bike is a little different. How we load our bikes up, set out suspension and just the individual variations in manufacturing seem to all play a part in how much lean there is. My Gen I and Gen II both leaned over farther than I would have preferred, before I added custom suspension that raised the bike up even more and created even more lean. I've just lived with it over the years and adapted to dealing with it. But I'm 260 lbs with a 29" inseam so it's more manageable for me than may be for others. Maybe if I drop 60 lbs, (working on it), I'll feel the need to do something about the lean.
 

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Hi Guys,
Cant believe it, i've just ordered the same side stand extender this morning that EricV has linked up on e bay. Sorry don't no how to link up things.
Over the last couple of days, I've been trying out different places for all my gear, for a 14 day trip, & with it on the 1 rider & luggage setting, i thought that the bike had too much lean fully loaded up for my liking.
Plus when its leaning over, fully loaded, it takes a fair pull on the bars to get it back up right for me.
I used to have a st1300, before the Tenere, and it didn't seem as bad as this is. Must be getting old eh !!
Anyway when it arrives, i re try it, i'll report back, with an update.
 

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As far as using the side stand my 2013 seemed a little better than the 2018, the hand preload adjuster on the 2013 seemed to take care of the not leaning over far enough issue my 2018 has.
Any motorcycle I ever owned had this issue to some extent, mostly got to pay attention when choosing a parking spot.
 

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FWIW, It's my understanding that the DOT standards require that a mc doesn't tip over on the off side when placed on the side stand. I read somewhere that they use a tilted rotating table to determine this. Europe apparently doesn't have this standard and I've exchanged US side stands on some bikes with the Eruo versions which are longer in length.
 

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Hi Guys,
Cant believe it, i've just ordered the same side stand extender this morning that EricV has linked up on e bay. Sorry don't no how to link up things.
Over the last couple of days, I've been trying out different places for all my gear, for a 14 day trip, & with it on the 1 rider & luggage setting, i thought that the bike had too much lean fully loaded up for my liking.
Plus when its leaning over, fully loaded, it takes a fair pull on the bars to get it back up right for me.
I used to have a st1300, before the Tenere, and it didn't seem as bad as this is. Must be getting old eh !!
Anyway when it arrives, i re try it, i'll report back, with an update.
Ok, thanks I'll wait for your report on what side stand foot you have ordered.
Please let us know where you got it and cost..Thanks
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Hi SHUMBA,
Sorry made a mistake, the 1 that i thought i had ordered, which EricV had a link to via e bay above, in his posting, isn't the 1 that i have ordered from e bay.
The 1 that i have ordered is from e bay, the person selling it is Monosoon-moto. it's £18-99.
Part no is 3329066873. its coming from china, with delivery from the 10th of next month onwards.
Hope this helps somebody out.
 

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Hi SHUMBA,
Sorry made a mistake, the 1 that i thought i had ordered, which EricV had a link to via e bay above, in his posting, isn't the 1 that i have ordered from e bay.
The 1 that i have ordered is from e bay, the person selling it is Monosoon-moto. it's £18-99.
Part no is 3329066873. its coming from china, with delivery from the 10th of next month onwards.
Hope this helps somebody out.
No problem, I saw about four side stand foots on Ebay and they all looked the same
The only dimension missing is the thickness of the bottom plate piece.
Upon receiving mine (ordered today), I plan to add a flat piece of aluminum to the bottom to give this additional height.
I think Eric V indicated 5/8 inch or 16 was the "sweet spot"
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When my boys and I are parked together, the Tenere looks like it's going to fall over, compared to the other two. My suspension IS set to two riders/no luggage, and it sits higher until I get on. I take comfort in the exaggerated lean angle. I know that it's not going to fall over; unless the side stand breaks. But, I have had issues with other bikes that haven't had enough lean; the ST1300 actually fell over on me, and smashed a toe.
 

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When my boys and I are parked together, the Tenere looks like it's going to fall over, compared to the other two. My suspension IS set to two riders/no luggage, and it sits higher until I get on. I take comfort in the exaggerated lean angle. I know that it's not going to fall over; unless the side stand breaks. But, I have had issues with other bikes that haven't had enough lean; the ST1300 actually fell over on me, and smashed a toe.
Ouch!!!
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