could someone make a self-test of the reflash of the ecu and the change of the exhaust, that is to say to test before and after the changes how many seconds are won or not, I think it would not be interesting a test of 0-100kmh or 0-60 mph , it would not be interesting maximum speed either. It seems to me that a measurement that would contribute something would be 40-140kmh //// 25-95 mph in a single gear, for example 4th gear, where torque and hp would be mixed and really see what is improved by a certain change ( ecu, exhaust, ecu + exhaust, fuel, etc) with a single gear, we would leave the variable side if the gear change is more or less fast, and let us carry the chronometer in the left hand. neither can we compare between users because there are other variables (user weight, tires, height above sea level, engine wear, fuel) ..... but if everyone does it, respecting the same conditions of the test, it would be a useful data to share. the idea came to me when I saw a graph of yoshimura comparing the gain of almost 2 hp but at 8000rpm .... then I asked if there really was a gain in seconds or was the "sensation" ... it's like the chronometer does not lie . I usually do it with my vehicles, in the same place on the route, between 2 signs and you can tell the difference in time if it goes with 2 passengers or with a new tire and the same one with half use. I think it would be an interesting contribution made by the same users.
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Don in Lodi
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I don't think that's going to happen. Sorry.
MonkeyBut
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I have to agree with Don. I'm apologizing before the rest of my response. If we were talking 1/4 times, launches, different tires, exhaust, ecu modes, etc on a performance motorcycle, I'm all in. We're talking S10. Great bike but not figures that would change significantly with even the above mods.
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If that's what you are looking for from a flash, you need to re-think things. No one. I repeat, NO ONE, cares. You will need to go hang out at the R-1 forums to find that kind of before and after info. The Super Tenere is not a bike people do things to to increase 1/4 mile or 0-100 kph times on. It's just not that kind of bike.
I want to believe that the confusion is due to my little polished English, I did not know how to transmit in written words, what my mind wanted to say ..., I "No" I’m not looking for more HP in "MY” motorcycle, "NO" I’m not looking for more acceleration or final speed, I just wanted someone who "Yes" is looking for more benefits, transmit their experience in real values, not in sensations, when that person will perform the modification (exhaust, ecu, etc). I agree that "it is not" a motorcycle sports performance, so clarify that "no" made sense a test of 0-100, or a 0-200 or a maximum speed. As it is a motorcycle in which the torque is prioritized, my proposal was oriented to that, to the repris, to the (return-resume), obvious that on the road. My thing was to try to bring real numbers of use, which is sold as an improvement. for example: all suppliers of exhaust slip on, offer a gain of around 2% at 8000 rpm (in a roller-test bench) but usually the use band of the S10 is between 1500 and 6000-7000rpm (traveling / off road) ..... my proposal is to try to see how much that 2% is in real life, how much is the profit? 1 second of 6? ...... 2 seconds of 6? .... or 0.001 second of 6? ..... that is, the improvement by an aftermarket exahust, headers or ecu reflash, is real ?. ..or it's a sensation. I do not want to create a controversy about the bike, for me it is what I was looking for, the controversy I want to create around the "improvements" that are sold. It's like the tonic for hair loss: do they really stop it ... or is it a sensation? in the tests that follow, you can see the comparison between an S10 gen1 ... a gs 1200 air ... and a Ducati 1200 ... the common comment of those who test it is "the Ducati is a beast" ... But as you can see, in use, daily, common, tourism, the three bikes, despite their differences in weight or hp, "behave almost the same" ..... in their "sporting" use, they is noticing the difference of hp in the Ducati. (The chronograph does not lie). it's just an example of what I'm interested in ... but in the topic we're dealing with, it would be stock vs aftermarket
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@Jlq1969 - I understand what you are saying you would like. A bench mark of performance before, and the same test afterwards to document any improvements.
The problem with that is that the flash is not aimed at those numbers you want to use to document improvements. Those figures are meaningless on this bike. If you want me to tune your bike to improve 1/4 mile or 0-60 mph / 0-100 kph times, well certainly, I can do that! But those changes in tuning will not improve the other areas of the bike that most, if not all, people are trying to improve. They may even make them worse.
For this bike, Most people are looking for minor tweaks in tuning, not performance oriented improvements. Yes, some want it to match with their cat-less header, slip on exhaust and perhaps air box mod. Most just want it to reduce engine braking, solve minor stumbling issues and improve off-idle characteristics. That's a simplification, but the general nature of flash improvements. Few, if any, will see improvements of any significant margin in actual Bhp and torque.
Just an added note, thanks for the laugh! The idiot simpleton that took the time to generate those numbers you posted for the GS/S10 & Multistrada should do well in 2nd grade. That's what happens when you let sport bike riders type on computers.
The problem with that is that the flash is not aimed at those numbers you want to use to document improvements. Those figures are meaningless on this bike. If you want me to tune your bike to improve 1/4 mile or 0-60 mph / 0-100 kph times, well certainly, I can do that! But those changes in tuning will not improve the other areas of the bike that most, if not all, people are trying to improve. They may even make them worse.
For this bike, Most people are looking for minor tweaks in tuning, not performance oriented improvements. Yes, some want it to match with their cat-less header, slip on exhaust and perhaps air box mod. Most just want it to reduce engine braking, solve minor stumbling issues and improve off-idle characteristics. That's a simplification, but the general nature of flash improvements. Few, if any, will see improvements of any significant margin in actual Bhp and torque.
Just an added note, thanks for the laugh! The idiot simpleton that took the time to generate those numbers you posted for the GS/S10 & Multistrada should do well in 2nd grade. That's what happens when you let sport bike riders type on computers.
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In all honesty I must be the only person who doesn't have a problem with the ECU (gen 2), kickstand, suspension, performance or anything else with the stock Tenere. But bike is 100% stock, when had the CA smog cheap on it. I am totally fine with everything on this bike. What am I missing?
Well......we are two, with the same doubt.
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I think that the majority of Tenere owners feel the same. I was happy with my stock gen 1 S10, and even happier with my stock gen 2. In a bike as good and reliable as this one, there is not much to discuss / complain about on the forums, so much of the talk centers around modifications that some feel they need. More power to those who like their mods, but I’m fine as is too.
You are not alone
- it took me a while to set up the suspension to my liking, and I have mounted brackets to stabilize the wind screen/GPS bar, but besides from that I've had zero issues with my S10 during 90.000 kilometers of riding.
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Except the seat....the stock seat sucks. Hey! Don’t forget the accessory bar, it shakes like crazy if you mount anything on it. Whoops that brings me to the lame ciggy plug.
But that’s it!
I think what jlq might be asking is....is the ECU flash worth it; or what do you get for the money. The best I can tell, the flash smooths out the shifting....that's it. I, and apparently many others, decided the flash was not worth the cost, and adapted to the bike. Just because a bike is not a "performance" machine, doesn't mean you can't improve the performance. But, due to the impossibly large number of variables that effect "performance", he can't get a bottom line on what works, and what doesn't. All I know, is that the Tenere is a well designed, very capable bike. Your results may vary.
It is a very good contribution
Can I ask another question? When someone decides to change factory tires (90% asphalt 10% off) for other tires more off (50-50 or less asphalt), the salesman warned them of the reduction in braking capacity ?, warned them of the reduction in the ability to turn on asphalt? Did you warn them of the maximum speed limitation? ..... did you warm them of the limitation of wet ride?? or simply told them how to improve the traction on off road? I ask because not all people who buy a motorcycle, are professional drivers or at least know the difference between the tire of factory (90-10) and one more off (50-50) sometimes people think it's an improvement but they do not know the cons
People who change to more off road orientated tires usually do it for a reason and based on experience.
With some of the best 50/50 tires you don't sacrifice much in regard to on-road behavior. The only downside I experienced with MotoZ Tractionator GPS was added vibrations.
Man, jlq, you're asking some good questions....but questions that have answers containing many "ifs", and "buts". IF, you're going to a lot of off-roading in loose "stuff", stick with a 50/50 tire. BUT, if you only occasionally go off-raod on gravel/fire roads, "I" would stick with a 90/10. BUT, even within each tire "genre", there are variables. IF you want a tire that lasts a long time, BUT has great traction, your selections will be limited. Because, generally, the better the grip, the shorter the life, and vice versa. The OE Battle Wings were surprisingly well balanced, and priced in my opinion. BUT, riding style will have to be taken into account also for any tire choice(s).
MonkeyBut
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Not to hijack, but in response to craigincali and any others, I too had the 'live with it' mentality when it came to the bike. It has very few shortcomings but after 11,000 mile's I didnt want to live with the abrupt throttle / snatchiness of it. Had it flashed and can't believe I waited so long. Only upside to waiting is knowing what i had for so long, to almost as if i have new motorcycle. Not exaggerating, it's just that much better. Not hp or torque better, smoother better only. I'm going to write my full review in the Other option for a flash thread but I'll also put this here. Anyone within the amount of miles they want to travel to give my all stock flashed S10 a try over their non flashed, just see if the amount of money is worth it, PM me and we can make arrangements. Carry on, Tom
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Mine is also totally stock (execpt the side cases.)
But stock sumpguard
Stock seat (low), and no modifications on seat.
Stock side protection.
Stock light.
I for one really like the snatchy throttle response and heavy engine braking of the standard mapping...
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I'm not quite sure what you are asking JIg. Are you asking if the salesman warned the rider of these things?
It seems that if you believe these things to be completely true, you're making some broad assumptions. I have over 100k miles of riding on the Super Ten alone with 50/50 tires. Not all 50/50 tires are the same.
I have yet to ride a 50/50 tire that held me back in corners, speed wise. I'm not racing the bike, but I'm not a slow rider either. I don't brake for corners, I set my speed and maintain it thru the corner. Often this is accomplished with engine braking alone.
I have never experienced a reduction in braking capacity. If you have, you're doing it wrong.
Maximum speed rating? In the US the maximum legal speed in the entire country is 85 mph, (and that is only in very limited areas). Most areas are no more than 75 mph, often less. Speed ratings on tires really don't play into reality here. Yes, many people exceed the speed limits, but not by enough, for long enough, to matter. Remember that the speed rating on the tire is for sustained speed. It is not going to fail or do anything dramatic with limited time above the speed the tire is rated for. Very few people are running very soft dirt tires on this 600 lb bike.
Many people buy tires based on how they ride. Some do buy them on looks along, regardless of how they ride. Most people will learn over time what suits their needs and preferences. Tires wear out quickly, so it's not a big deal to anyone that actually rides the bike.