Self Canceling Turn Signs....???

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First bike in many that does not have self canceling turn signals...Seems crazy that Yamaha can't figure out that it would be a bonus to provide this great feature ! So which is more hazardous......Not using them because I forget they are still blinking , or using them and drive down the road with everyone thinking i'm going to turn well after I made my turn !......Rant over ! IMG_0445.JPG
 

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I've never had a bike with self cancelling turn signals. I've always installed a light in my view or beeper to remind me. I see both sides in that in talking with others who have them; they have their flaws and I'm not sure some can be engineered to work in every situation. But if possible, then they should be required.
 

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First bike in many that does not have self canceling turn signals...Seems crazy that Yamaha can't figure out that it would be a bonus to provide this great feature ! So which is more hazardous......Not using them because I forget they are still blinking , or using them and drive down the road with everyone thinking i'm going to turn well after I made my turn !......Rant over !
Yamaha can figure it out just fine. It comes and goes over the years as a 'feature'. Right now, not so much.

I don't care for the concept. Riding with someone that has them shows me that far more often they are creating hazards because other road users think the bike is turning at the next cross street or driveway when they already made the turn, but the signal has not self canceled yet.

No one is immune from leaving the signal on, but it's a good muscle memory to maintain, turning the signal off after you turn, regardless of if you have self canceling signals or not.

So, in the politest possible way, I ask you to turn your turn signal off, even when you have self canceling turn signals. Don't be lazy and always let it do it for you. Let it catch the few times you forget, not replace you actually paying attention to your actions.
 

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did I make a mistake or are they only available for the 2013......I was visiting the site listed above
You made a mistake. You select the year from the drop down menu, and if your year is not shown, (oddly the non-ES has 13, 14, 16, 17, 18, but no 15), then you put in custom year and send them a ping and they will respond if it fits your bike. If it works on the Gen I and II, it should work on any year Super Ten.
 
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They show 2012 as a custom year. Not sure why, but I upgraded my switch gear to include flash to pass and hazard flashers which came on euro left switch euro version.jpg models.
 

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They show 2012 as a custom year. Not sure why, but I upgraded my switch gear to include flash to pass and hazard flashers which came on euro models.
I suspect it's simply a matter of what years they have sold to so far and know work. Once they sell to a 12 and get feedback, it will likely be listed in the drop down menu. 2010 and 2011 are missing too, as well as 2015 as I mentioned before. They are all the same bikes, and both Generations of Super Teneres are already listed. Custom just means you are adding a number that is not listed, not that it's a custom product.

I also added the flash to pass and flashers on my 2012 using a US spec 2013 FJR left switch housing. No need to change anything on the 2013-up models, as they already have it.
 

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Yamaha can figure it out just fine. It comes and goes over the years as a 'feature'. Right now, not so much.

I don't care for the concept. Riding with someone that has them shows me that far more often they are creating hazards because other road users think the bike is turning at the next cross street or driveway when they already made the turn, but the signal has not self canceled yet.

No one is immune from leaving the signal on, but it's a good muscle memory to maintain, turning the signal off after you turn, regardless of if you have self canceling signals or not.

So, in the politest possible way, I ask you to turn your turn signal off, even when you have self canceling turn signals. Don't be lazy and always let it do it for you. Let it catch the few times you forget, not replace you actually paying attention to your actions.
This! I developed the muscle memory on my first street bike (82 Seca 650) which did have self-cancelling but stayed on for what I felt was too long after I made my turn. Now, almost 40 years later, my left thumb still instinctively stabs at that button as soon as the bike exits the turn.

(Although this reflex does become an issue when I ride the old iron head Sportster)
 

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I'm with Mr. Hughes. MY old SECA also had self cancelling; and I think the FJ does too. But the '04 Beemer did not. Moreover, the Beemer had separate left/right activation, but only left bar cancelling. (don't know if they still work that way). But, after a day, or two, it became habit. I actually had more trouble, with muscle memory, when I transitioned to the ST 1300; it doesn't self-cancel either, but I had to retrain back to left bar switch only again. So, when I got the Tenere, I never even noticed, or cared, that it didn't have self canceling. Almost everything I drive/ride is manual everything.
 

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FWIW, BMW finally saw the light around '14 or '15. The wife's '16 GSA has everything on the left. Her older '11 had the left & right with cancel on the left. Took me a few turns every time I had to ride it to service to remember where the f'ing right turn signal was. My old '05 Road King had the typical HD left and right buttons, hold both for flashers. Not a bad system, but not universal to motorcycles.
 

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Yamaha can figure it out just fine. It comes and goes over the years as a 'feature'. Right now, not so much.

I don't care for the concept. Riding with someone that has them shows me that far more often they are creating hazards because other road users think the bike is turning at the next cross street or driveway when they already made the turn, but the signal has not self canceled yet.

No one is immune from leaving the signal on, but it's a good muscle memory to maintain, turning the signal off after you turn, regardless of if you have self canceling signals or not.

So, in the politest possible way, I ask you to turn your turn signal off, even when you have self canceling turn signals. Don't be lazy and always let it do it for you. Let it catch the few times you forget, not replace you actually paying attention to your actions.
The system I installed has so far been 100% reliable in shutting off the turn signals around town where the largest threat of cross traffic is. This is true even for lane changes. On the highway, if you make a slow drifting lane change, the system will sometimes not detect the lane change, but in that case it will time out after 15-20 seconds. The funny thing is they are so cool to watch, I would never forget now!


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The system I installed has so far been 100% reliable in shutting off the turn signals around town where the largest threat of cross traffic is. This is true even for lane changes. On the highway, if you make a slow drifting lane change, the system will sometimes not detect the lane change, but in that case it will time out after 15-20 seconds. The funny thing is they are so cool to watch, I would never forget now!
Very nice! Glad they work well. For $99, it's nice to know they are far better than the average self canceling devices sold.
 
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I added them to my bike. They work pretty well.

https://safer-turn.com
This looks interesting.
I like the idea but I would have installation concerns on this one.
Not much info on their website other than a lot of hype about how great they are.
I could not find a pdf for installation instructions on the website but found some YouTube videos.

Wiring
I traced the wiring harness from the switch housing to the connector just above and to the right of the battery, behind the lower cowling. (I did not check the wire colors to confirm but I think I was looking at the correct connector.)

I would be concerned how intrusive this is to the OEM wiring.
With all the OEM wring bundles packed in there plus the wiring that I have added there is little room to add all the splice connectors that’s required without putting stress on these connectors. Besides that I do not really like cutting OEM wiring (not that I haven’t done it, just there has to be a very good reason for me to do it).

Space
Their website shows the Unit dimensions: 32x32x45 mm (about 1 ¼ x 1 ¼ x 1 ¾ inches).
In such tight spaces, that's large enough that you also have to consider where this will be located.
I have already filled the space behind the upper cowling, just above all the relays and rectifier/regulator, with a Warm and Safe Heat Troller control unit for heated grips.
I installed a PC-8 fuse box behind the lower cowling, just in front of the battery. It had to be positioned very precisely to not interfere with the cowling. Space above the R/R connectors or tool compartment are possibilities.

I am hesitant to add more stuff in this area.
If it weren't for your positive comments, I probably would not be looking into this.

Now that I’m done being negative, any words of wisdom on your installation?
 

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The most important thing is to first open the handlebar switch housing and confirm the colors. There is a wiring PDF at their site, but the wire colors are wrong for their Yamaha example. I found room to locate my unit at the upper right hand corner of the electrical tray.

I suggested to the company that they could make this a plug and play device pretty easily, but they don’t want to have multiple versions evidently. Alternatively you could buy a set of connectors from eastern beaver or similar and make up your own plug and play installation. I’d probably do that if I had it to do over again.

The installation may be a bit intimidating to some but the product works very well.


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I will check again to see if I can find the pdf.
Yes, that is what I was thinking, a plug and play would be the way to go.
That's a good idea, to check the connector and see if I can find it at Eastern Beaver so I can make up my own plugs and do a clean installation.
I think that's the only way I would want to do this.

Thanks for your input.
I think this sounds like a good product, just do not like their method of installation or using the type of splice connectors they use.
 
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