S10 ES rear shock Racetech SRSP 6022 series direct replacement spring!!!!

hawk281

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This is aimed at the guys who have beefed up their rear shock. Have you noticed any differnt wear patterns on your front tire, now that the weight bias has changed? I am showing more wear on the front tire after 6000 miles than when the suspension was stock. I generally run the setting at one rider/standard 2 with me and the panniers on board. I will say that the turniing ability is better, which leads me to believe that the front tire is making more contact than stock. ::021::
 

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hawk281 said:
This is aimed at the guys who have beefed up their rear shock. Have you noticed any differnt wear patterns on your front tire, now that the weight bias has changed? I am showing more wear on the front tire after 6000 miles than when the suspension was stock. I generally run the setting at one rider/standard 2 with me and the panniers on board. I will say that the turniing ability is better, which leads me to believe that the front tire is making more contact than stock. ::021::
For the first time I wore out a front before a rear recently since replacing the rear spring. I don't know if it's a good comparison though as the second set of tires were Michelin Anakee IIIs compared to the OEM Battlewings.


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Just swapped my rear spring out this week on my 2017 ES. I used an SRSP 6022085 (476 LB/in). Nice drop-in fit with no shims / spacers required. I weight about 200-210LB geared up and have some luggage and with misc. rain gear, 12V pump, work back-pack, etc. I'm running One-Helmet for solo riding, and Two-Helmet +Luggage for 2-Up-ing. I haven't taken any sag measurements yet, but seat-o'-the-pants feel is good.
 

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Thank you all for the great input, based in the information from this topic I made my mind on swapping my rear spring.

I appreciate any advices:

I'm 240lbs butt naked on a 2016 ST ES with no panniers, no luggage, no rotopax or any extra weight on the bike.
I was thinking of taking my bike (soon) to Race Tech to add the "SK SPRING 8.0 x 2.25" 19.6kg", $125 for the spring, $35 for the spacers and $75 labor unless
someone tells me its not the best option.

My only concern on this whole thing is: do I need to change the fork springs as well?

Thank you.
 

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Hi Dennis,

I am close to your weight, I did the rear spring but not the front and I have no problems with it. Sag check on the front was OK, the rear was horrible.

My suggestion would be do the rear and try it out.
 

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Karl said:
Hi Dennis,

I am close to your weight, I did the rear spring but not the front and I have no problems with it. Sag check on the front was OK, the rear was horrible.

My suggestion would be do the rear and try it out.
Thank you for the info Karl.
So, Race Tech is the way to go?
 

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I did mine before race-tech had an offering.

I used a standard eibach spring and made my own spring spacer/seat. I have a thread on it in the suspension section from a while back.
 

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D.W.B. said:
Thank you all for the great input, based in the information from this topic I made my mind on swapping my rear spring.

I appreciate any advices:

I'm 240lbs butt naked on a 2016 ST ES with no panniers, no luggage, no rotopax or any extra weight on the bike.
I was thinking of taking my bike (soon) to Race Tech to add the "SK SPRING 8.0 x 2.25" 19.6kg", $125 for the spring, $35 for the spacers and $75 labor unless
someone tells me its not the best option.

My only concern on this whole thing is: do I need to change the fork springs as well?

Thank you.
Note that this thread was about a DIRECT REPLACEMENT spring and not using a spacer. Either approach is "good enough" I think. I would use caution just sending it in to Race Tech and letting them have at it. My conversations with them were less than satisfactory when I tried to discuss spring rates and replacement sizes for the ES bike. They insisted that the rate would be the same as calculated on their spring rate formula and that the ES was no different. WRONG. The guy finally put me on hold to discuss it with the "shop guys" and came back to politely tell me I was all wrong. Against his advice I ordered what I knew to be very close to what I needed based on the hard work of the originators of this and the other threads on the ES shock. It looks like Race Tech is sending you down the same wrong road. They have you needing to install their SESP 802251100 spring which is a whopping 19.6KG or 1097.6 lb/in!!!!! You're going to find that a bit stiff :'( If you want to use the spring with a spacer approach I would read that thread and choose a rate based on one of those guys. I believe a couple were your weight or more and carried hard luggage at times. If you want to use the Direct Replacement Spring without a spacer you can use the Race Tech SRSP 6022 line of springs in your choice. I would check with one of the forum vendors here rideonadv.com, screen name Tabasco, for a spacer. At least you know that will be right! The advantage to the spacer method is the springs are cheaper. I forget the brand but they can be ordered from Summit Racing for I think 85.00. You might want to change rates in the future. If your taking the shock out maybe just buy the Tusk brand spring compressors at like $35.00 and do it your self. You'll always have the tool. As an update on my Race Tech spring I choose the SRSP 6022090 at 9.0Kg or 504 lb/in . I am now only 1,500 miles into it and the spring has (hopefully) settled in because it has "settled" a lot! You can reread my weight and installed extras but I am at 67mm of sag on the 1 rider setting. Curiously the front is exactly the same so all good there. The front "PoGo's " horribly offroad at any setting and that is due to the dual rate springs and lack of adequate damping. I don't ride it offroad anymore so it's not an issue. Changing the front springs are a whole other issue as they are different from the non-ES bike as well. Look for threads here on that problem but get the rear done first and then check sag front/rear to see where your at.
 

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Summit Racing sells the Eibach brand of springs. I fitted a 550lb/in with a 10mm custom spacer which works very well for me (230 lbs, side cases usually 1/2 loaded). The part number is 0800.250.0550. You can select different rate springs by changing the last 3 numbers which represent spring rate in lbs./in.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/eib-08002500550

Seems like they've dropped the price now to $66. I have not noticed any "pogoing" of the front on or off road, but I'm not that aggressive in off-road environments, though I push it pretty hard on the pavement.
 

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WJBertrand said:
Summit Racing sells the Eibach brand of springs. I fitted a 550lb/in with a 10mm custom spacer which works very well for me (230 lbs, side cases usually 1/2 loaded). The part number is 0800.250.0550. You can select different rate springs by changing the last 3 numbers which represent spring rate in lbs./in.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/eib-08002500550

Seems like they've dropped the price now to $66. I have not noticed any "pogoing" of the front on or off road, but I'm not that aggressive in off-road environments, though I push it pretty hard on the pavement.
Holy crap! Back up the bus ??? Did you lose 100lbs between post 46 and 48????
 

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Scarlet Pig said:
Holy crap! Back up the bus ??? Did you lose 100lbs between post 46 and 48????
Whoops, typo (and I did it twice!) edited.


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Karl said:
Hi Dennis,

I am close to your weight, I did the rear spring but not the front and I have no problems with it. Sag check on the front was OK, the rear was horrible.

My suggestion would be do the rear and try it out.
Will do.
Thank you.

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Scarlet Pig said:
Note that this thread was about a DIRECT REPLACEMENT spring and not using a spacer. Either approach is "good enough" I think. I would use caution just sending it in to Race Tech and letting them have at it. My conversations with them were less than satisfactory when I tried to discuss spring rates and replacement sizes for the ES bike. They insisted that the rate would be the same as calculated on their spring rate formula and that the ES was no different. WRONG. The guy finally put me on hold to discuss it with the "shop guys" and came back to politely tell me I was all wrong. Against his advice I ordered what I knew to be very close to what I needed based on the hard work of the originators of this and the other threads on the ES shock. It looks like Race Tech is sending you down the same wrong road. They have you needing to install their SESP 802251100 spring which is a whopping 19.6KG or 1097.6 lb/in!!!!! You're going to find that a bit stiff :'( If you want to use the spring with a spacer approach I would read that thread and choose a rate based on one of those guys. I believe a couple were your weight or more and carried hard luggage at times. If you want to use the Direct Replacement Spring without a spacer you can use the Race Tech SRSP 6022 line of springs in your choice. I would check with one of the forum vendors here rideonadv.com, screen name Tabasco, for a spacer. At least you know that will be right! The advantage to the spacer method is the springs are cheaper. I forget the brand but they can be ordered from Summit Racing for I think 85.00. You might want to change rates in the future. If your taking the shock out maybe just buy the Tusk brand spring compressors at like $35.00 and do it your self. You'll always have the tool. As an update on my Race Tech spring I choose the SRSP 6022090 at 9.0Kg or 504 lb/in . I am now only 1,500 miles into it and the spring has (hopefully) settled in because it has "settled" a lot! You can reread my weight and installed extras but I am at 67mm of sag on the 1 rider setting. Curiously the front is exactly the same so all good there. The front "PoGo's " horribly offroad at any setting and that is due to the dual rate springs and lack of adequate damping. I don't ride it offroad anymore so it's not an issue. Changing the front springs are a whole other issue as they are different from the non-ES bike as well. Look for threads here on that problem but get the rear done first and then check sag front/rear to see where your at.
Thank you for the great info, I had the same feeling with Race Tech.

I spoke with Jax last week about raising the back with dog bone risers and I think he said he does not make spacers anymore. Not sure about that.

Im getting to much information from too many different people and now I can't remember shit. I need the habit of writing down stuff.

Im reviewing all previous posts to see if I can find the exactly info I need including shocks brand, spacer and distributors.

Thank you and thank you again.

Dennis


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Sooo you guys seem to know your stuff. I just came off a Vstrom that i had the suspension done and loved it, but i had the "experts" figure the spring rate and I thought it was a little stiff but sag numbers were at recommended. Im not that picking probably due to the fact that I'm not that good of a rider. I just got a 16 es and farkled it out with alt rider crash bars with uppers, ACD skid plate, Barkbusters, I removed passenger seat and made aluminum rack for rotopax 1 gal fuel and 1 gal H2o, and Bumot hard luggage. Im guessing 50# for that stuff. I always carry full panniers @ 60# total. I am a healthy 350# all geared up @ 6'2" with 34" inseam. 25# camping gear and 20# fuel and water come off and on with longer touring trips. We've done the colorado back country discovery route and plan on doing them all, but we ride to them so I'm guessing 70% street 30% dirt. What race tech direct replacement spring do you think would be best and will i still be able to use es or will that high of spring rate be to much for es?

Bike always carrys 460# +/- 45# for addition camping/fuel/H2o

Thanks for your help

P.S. i know the bike is over its weight rating and I'm trying to loss weight but beer and pizza is my favorite ::022::
 

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Sasquatchluvin said:
Bike always carrys 460# +/- 45# for addition camping/fuel/H2o

Thanks for your help

P.S. i know the bike is over its weight rating and I'm trying to loss weight but beer and pizza is my favorite ::022::
Don't worry, you bought the ultimate pack-mule bike for doing exactly the kind of Adventure you describe.
Just stay determined to get the suspension sorted for your honest measurements\requirements, and the Super Tenere will reward you with amazing performance.
 
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Help please, am I off the chart???


Sasquatchluvin said:
Sooo you guys seem to know your stuff. I just came off a Vstrom that i had the suspension done and loved it, but i had the "experts" figure the spring rate and I thought it was a little stiff but sag numbers were at recommended. Im not that picking probably due to the fact that I'm not that good of a rider. I just got a 16 es and farkled it out with alt rider crash bars with uppers, ACD skid plate, Barkbusters, I removed passenger seat and made aluminum rack for rotopax 1 gal fuel and 1 gal H2o, and Bumot hard luggage. Im guessing 50# for that stuff. I always carry full panniers @ 60# total. I am a healthy 350# all geared up @ 6'2" with 34" inseam. 25# camping gear and 20# fuel and water come off and on with longer touring trips. We've done the colorado back country discovery route and plan on doing them all, but we ride to them so I'm guessing 70% street 30% dirt. What race tech direct replacement spring do you think would be best and will i still be able to use es or will that high of spring rate be to much for es?

Bike always carrys 460# +/- 45# for addition camping/fuel/H2o

Thanks for your help

P.S. i know the bike is over its weight rating and I'm trying to loss weight but beer and pizza is my favorite ::022::
 

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Sasquatchluvin that is a lot of weight. I would say you are over the available "Direct Replacement Spring" range of the Racetech SRSP 6022 series. You would need to use the spacer method as described in another thread and the Eibach coil spring as listed by WJBertrand. Note that his link is to the 550lb spring just change the last three numbers to the weight you need ie 08002500700 would be a 700lb spring. I'm thinking that is going to be the minimum you need but hopefully others will chime in. I would also upgrade the front springs for sure.
 
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WJBertrand said:
Summit Racing sells the Eibach brand of springs. I fitted a 550lb/in with a 10mm custom spacer which works very well for me (230 lbs, side cases usually 1/2 loaded). The part number is 0800.250.0550. You can select different rate springs by changing the last 3 numbers which represent spring rate in lbs./in.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/eib-08002500550

Seems like they've dropped the price now to $66. I have not noticed any "pogoing" of the front on or off road, but I'm not that aggressive in off-road environments, though I push it pretty hard on the pavement.
Scarlet Pig said:
Here is the link to the thread http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=19121.0 my weights and sag as of last year with only a few miles on the spring are listed. Last check was 67 mm and I have a LOT of weight on the bike just considering the armor and top box with daily stuff. I don't believe any of the spring rate calculators really take that into account for ADV type bikes. We always have extra crash bars, skid plates etc and that stuff adds up quick. It all adds to "rider sag". The "direct replacement spring" method is quick and easy but the springs are more expensive than using the springs from say Summit Racing with the collar. Check out the link I put out to compare all their rear springs including the ones on Regulator's build. I was most interested in your assessment of spring binding and travel before binding. The "direct replacement spring" is a bit longer at 222mm. As I believe I've mentioned before Race Tech is CLUELESS as to the Tenere ES and will give you bad information. In looking at Regulator's build list sheet from them I can't imagine what went on with the front springs either. Doesn't seem to match up with factory specs in any fashion but what do I know.....
I know this is a old thread. I'm really happy you guys have did this to the ES shock. I personally like Jeffs and Karls solution over the direct fit just for the fact it puts less preload on the spring. Of course the direct fit spring sure makes it easier to do the swap without the hassle of installing a spacer.

My biggest concern with the direct replacement is the fact you have to crank down the preload 25mm-36mm for the range of the ES shock. That's a lot of preload. Of course if the damn thing works then all is good!

A a comparison stock OEM or Karl and Jeffs spacer only requires 16-27mm preload.

Hmmm, either way not so bad. How are the bikes handling guys?

OTOH, after looking at the sag numbers it's apparent near the same results can be had with either way. These adventure bikes are really a challenge due to the frequent added and removed weight. I went through the same thing with my Beta. I must have changed at least three spring rates before I got a decent sag I could live with. I still can't believe I was using it for adventure riding!!! Trust me 800 miles on a dirt bike through Death Valley was torture!!

For the heck of it here are my OEM spring sag numbers with my bike stripped and me in my riding gear. I'm right at about 220-225 lbs geared up and ready to ride. Tank is full and crash protection installed.

1 helmet: 48mm free sag/87mm rider sag

1 helmet and luggage: 46mm free/82mm rider

2 helmets: 32mm free/72mm rider

2 helmets and luggage: 29mm free/68 rider
 

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I’m still happy with my Eibach spring and spacer. Though you can get to the same initial sag numbers with the direct fit RT spring, it does have a lower spring rate. What this means is that as you adjust the ES preload the difference between the settings will be smaller than with a higher rate spring. I like the more noticeable changes between settings that the higher rate/slope spring affords.


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Just ordered the direct replacement spring from Racetech and the online ordering worked smoothly and I already got a shipping notification that the spring will be here on Friday. The to do list for the next garage day is getting longer and longer.
 
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