Portable lithium jump box, anyone ditch the clamps and go direct wire?

EricV

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I just bought mine form AG direct when I got them. Mostly due to the counterfeit issues and to ensure warranty if I had an issue. EarthX makes good stuff too.
 

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I'm sure the counterfeiting issue is real, but it is also a pretty convenient "out" for some manufacturers I fear.
Not really. Genuine products have serial numbers and hologram stickers that have verifiable numbers on them too. I've heard of no one getting turned down for a claim if it's the real deal.
 

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hello folks, This is my 1st post. Bought a 2014 SuperT in October. it had sat about 17 months before i bought it due to the PO's health. He passed away and his wife put it up for sale. As soon as i got it i put new tires on it. changed oil and serviced it and new brakes. Rode it 400 miles and declared it road trip ready. Packed it up with camping gear and took it for a ride to test how it felt fully loaded. it did fine. Got up the next morning and hopped on and no start. The engine turned over but thats all. I posted the question on FB and got 25 comments. i hooked up charger and let it charge. Gave it full throttle hit the starter and she fired right up. i did the trip, 1600 miles in 4 days with no problems. it has run flawleesly since. i love the bike. i have a lot of plans for upgrades and riding this machine. this week i took it in to change the oil. i was fiddling with the auxillary lights and tinkering with GPS mount and when i got done and went to start it and again, no start. motor turns over but wont hit a lick. its on the charger now and i'll go try and start it later today. I've been looking for the cause of this problem and it seems to be a problem for some superT's if battery is not a full charge. Looking at this for possible solution, or is it something else. Does anyone experience with this? Still got the Royal star and trusty KLR so i'm still riding but need to get this squared away. I've been stranded home on this bike 2Xs, dont want it happening when i'm 500 miles out. Thanks for any insight
 

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I'm going to guess that you don't use the kill switch. With your tinkering with electrical mods you probably switched the bike on and off a few times, and each time you did, if the kill switch was in run, the fuel pump came on and pressurized the system. You ended up with a too rich condition for a quick normal start.

Gen II bikes do not typically suffer from the classic hard start issue that Gen I bikes are more known for. In either case, going to 3/4 to full throttle the moment you realize it's not starting will typically allow the bike to fire up. Another good piece of advice is on the first start attempt, keep cranking until it starts.

Understand also, that when you crank the bike and let off, the headlights come on. Unless you switch the key off prior the next attempt, you have less voltage to the starter because the headlights are drawing off battery voltage. That doesn't help the issue.

In both cases you describe, the battery power was fine, the motor turned over, but wouldn't start. It is true that if the voltage gets too low, around 10.8V, the injectors won't fire, so no start. That's not usually the case in what you describe, where it fired up the previous time fine.

Worth noting, its good practice on the Super Ten to not shut it down w/o fully warming it up to ~160F coolant temp. This prevents a false choke situation where it becomes flooded on the next starting attempt.

A battery tender is not a bad idea, but in this case it's more about learning the bike's routine than anything really being wrong.
 

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Second what eric said and add that the battery may be nearly 6 years old so I'd do a load test on it. When it comes time to replace, go with the YTZ14S rather than the OEM 12 and you'll be fine. Same size case with more lead and CCA.
 

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btw to the misleading thread title. Leaving a lithium and lead or AGM wired in parallel is begging for trouble. Don't do it.
 

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There is a 50 page thread about this no start issue and all kinds of folks have all kinds of ideas about what causes it. My opinion the problem should be fixed by Yamaha but unfortunately they seem to be happy to just pretend the problem doesn’t even exist. In 40;000 miles it happened twice to my previous 2013 fortunately both times at home, but so far in 14,000 miles it has never happened to my new 2018.
 
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