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[Sierra1]

If the pros have it. . . . why are us mere mortals debating the need for it? I can thresh hold brake good, and I can avoid crashes good. Doing them at the same time. . . . unexpectedly? ABS? Yes please.

In the Jeep . . . . on ice/snow. . . . TCS has to be off or it makes driving more difficult. At least with a manual tranny.

 

[PhilPhilippines]

They have both.

50% right. They have have programmable TC but not ABS

 

[jrusell]

ABS is banned in almost all top level motorcycle and car racing. FI, Motogp, wsbk, even Nascar does not allow ABS.

 

[PhilPhilippines]

ABS is banned in almost all top level motorcycle and car racing. FI, Motogp, wsbk, even Nascar does not allow ABS.

Indeed. Which brings us back to Sierra's point, as ABS equalises the racing to the point there is no overtaking, as driver input is the difference in the braking zone. Where ABS has been allowed the racing became very processional due to no human error in modulating the brakes.

 

[Boris]

They have both.

They have TCS but not ABS.

 

[PhilPhilippines]

Dunno how much everyone follows MotoGP but I was intrigued that:
1) the left hand operates the rear brake - I do not know if everyone uses this method, but it seems common.
2) they often continue to use carbon brakes, not changing to steel, in the wet - with strangely, consistently better results
3) TCS the common 15% slip is the target with retardation being the initial containment low-siding of spinning up, then engine-cutting as a more intrusive form of power reduction, then cutting the power. However, cutting the power is route 1 for containment of wheelies. I guess with the amount of power electronics is the quickest way to get the boys up the road...
This may be interesting to some: https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/935647/1/motogp-traction-control-retarding-and-cutting
As I have said before, I'm a pretty mediocre rider with limited confidence, and ride within that range. The only redeeming feature when riding is that I have quite an extensive background in training on 4 wheels, which helps somewhat.

 

[ballisticexchris]

If the pros have it. . . . why are us mere mortals debating the need for it? I can thresh hold brake good, and I can avoid crashes good. Doing them at the same time. . . . unexpectedly? ABS? Yes please.

In the Jeep . . . . on ice/snow. . . . TCS has to be off or it makes driving more difficult. At least with a manual tranny.

Me too!! The Super Tenere is the first bike I have ever owned with ABS/Unified Braking. And boy I am amazed how it proves just how crappy a human is compared to the computer aid.

 

[PhilPhilippines]

Me too!! The Super Tenere is the first bike I have ever owned with ABS/Unified Braking. And boy I am amazed how it proves just how crappy a human is compared to the computer aid.

I'm no expert on things two-wheeled but if it is the same as four wheel it may come down to balance transfer. I try to momentarily "squat'' the bike down on the rear axle with the rear brake prior to blending the front brake in a straight line. I feel this gives a less nose heavy transference and therefore less propensity to skid. Please advise if I am am way off base please.

I coach this to higher level students (if they are interested) in a slightly different scenario (on 4 wheels.) At the point of entry, on approach to a bend, the left foot brakes (manual or auto) to keep the balance blended between the gas and brakes applied to create a continuum and less fwd/rear balance between axles, ie blennnnnnded balance, and go from there. Driving/riding swiftly is not a problem only idiocy is..

In vehicles that are VAG (VW, Audi, etc). doing this will activate limp mode..

 

[scott123007]

50% right. They have have programmable TC but not ABS

Yes, I was mistaken. What I meant to say was they have TC for both acceleration and braking.

 

[PhilPhilippines]

Nothing to do with braking tbh..

 

[scott123007]

Nothing to do with braking tbh..

LOL, I was mistaken again. What I meant to say is they have traction control for both acceleration and "de-acceleration".