Oil Change

[dell835]

4.4 Quarts is for a completely disassembled motor. It is in the Service Manual. Do NOT add 4.4 quarts for oil & filter change. 3.6 quarts is the correct amount. See post #412 on this thread.

 

[ballisticexchris]

Boy I sure missed the boat!! All I had to do was register my bike with "Yamalube Advantage" before first service for a free 100,000 mile/5000hr warranty!!

Any oil related failure is covered in this warranty. Terms and conditions are very clear. Warranty will be honored for oil related failures as long as you use Yamalube oil and keep receipts and service records.

https://yamalubeadvantage.com/globalassets/yamalube-engine-warranty.pdf

Register your new bike here:

https://yamalubeadvantage.com/

Just imagine this: You punch a whole in your pan, the oil drains out, and the motor blows up. You simply replace the pan and oil then go to the dealer for a new engine!! It's a very good warranty.

 

[Clawdog60]

4.4 Quarts is for a completely disassembled motor. It is in the Service Manual. Do NOT add 4.4 quarts for oil & filter change. 3.6 quarts is the correct amount. See post #412 on this thread.

I’m thinking it was a utube video that said 4.4 but I’ll have to check on it. Where the heck does 3/4 of a quart of oil hang out in the mota. That’s quite a bit of dirty oil not changed.

 

[dell835]

Clinging to everything-hopefully.

 

[Sierra1]

....3.6 quarts is the correct amount....

Ha! Says you. MY bike needs the WHOLE bottle, or the oil light won't go out. Without any negative side effects....so far.

 

[Jlq1969]

Just imagine this: You punch a whole in your pan, the oil drains out, and the motor blows up. You simply replace the pan and oil then go to the dealer for a new engine!! It's a very good warranty.

So easy is it? ... I’m going to read the small letter of the marriage papers, maybe it says something about "changes" by warranty

 

[dell835]

Ha! Says you. MY bike needs the WHOLE bottle, or the oil light won't go out. Without any negative side effects....so far.

Says Yamaha not me-I put a full gallon in every time I change mine.

 

[Cycledude]

Says Yamaha not me-I put a full gallon in every time I change mine.

It’s the true American way if it says 3.6 quarts put in a whole gallon that must be even better !

 

[Sierra1]

Ha!! I've learned, over the years, that more is not necessarily better. But, in this case, more is required.

 

[SilverBullet]

... With a dry sump motor the motor only has about a quart in it at any given time anyway, so less oil just means faster recirculation of that oil. More will only end up in the breather a bit, especially with high rpm running over extended periods. Thus the air box drain...

If the motor has the same amount of oil at any given time why would putting more oil in the oil tank cause more oil in the breather? Seems that would only apply to a wet sump engine and overfilling the crankcase.

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[drbikramjitsingh]

It was fun to read.

 

[EricV]

If the motor has the same amount of oil at any given time why would putting more oil in the oil tank cause more oil in the breather? Seems that would only apply to a wet sump engine and overfilling the crankcase.

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I think the oil in the breather occurs mostly with high rpm, but seems to be worse if the oil level is higher. Not really sure if that is accentuated by higher oil levels?? Seems like it does, but not enough data to know for sure or why.

 

[Jeff Milleman]

Ive not had any oil in the breather but I don't overfill with oil... Ive gotten 2 lawnmowers because of blue smoke out the exhaust , overfilled with oil . Lowered it and ola a free mower that runs great. Don't forget to check your spokes on that new bike . You can ping them ( tap each one with a screw driver and compare ) you'll know if one is lose ..

 

[ballisticexchris]

So here is what I figured out. Last few oil changes were changing the filter and letting the oil drain while on the center stand. I put in 3.6 quarts and each time the window was completely full when setting in my garage.

This last oil change I did the same thing but let it drain on the side stand. 3.6 quarts and barely showing in window when parked. I ended up putting almost 4 quarts in the get it to the top line. I figure once I change to Motul I'll just put in 3.5 liters and call it a day.

 

[jimmy z]

Higher rpm downshifts tend to put more oil in breather.3.6 quarts for me ,2012 with 60k,never seen the oil light,change at 4k intervals.

 

[Cycledude]

I happen to use 1 quart bottles ,pour in 3 full quarts then leave 12 ounces leftover in the 4th bottle, seems to work perfect for me.

 

[EricV]

So here is what I figured out. Last few oil changes were changing the filter and letting the oil drain while on the center stand. I put in 3.6 quarts and each time the window was completely full when setting in my garage.

This last oil change I did the same thing but let it drain on the side stand. 3.6 quarts and barely showing in window when parked. I ended up putting almost 4 quarts in the get it to the top line. I figure once I change to Motul I'll just put in 3.5 liters and call it a day.

+1 on the 3.5L. -100 on the sight glass. The sight glass is only accurate under the very specific circumstances outlined in the owner's manual. Under NO OTHER CONDITIONS IS IT ACCURATE. Sometimes it's hugely off. Just sitting in the garage after an oil change is not a representation of the oil level. It just tells you, yes, there is some oil in there.

 

[ballisticexchris]

+1 on the 3.5L. -100 on the sight glass. The sight glass is only accurate under the very specific circumstances outlined in the owner's manual. Under NO OTHER CONDITIONS IS IT ACCURATE. Sometimes it's hugely off. Just sitting in the garage after an oil change is not a representation of the oil level. It just tells you, yes, there is some oil in there.

Yep' and that's exactly what I did. My bike is parked level, on the center stand, and in the same place every time. I'm pretty darn confident it was because all my previous oil changes were done on the center center stand. I really like draining it on the side stand. It seems to get a lot more oil out.
Per owners manual:
To check the engine oil level
1. Place the vehicle on the center-
stand. A slight tilt to the side can
result in a false reading.
2. Start the engine and warm it up for
ten minutes until the engine oil has
reached a normal temperature of
60 °C (140 °F), and then turn the
engine off.
3. Wait a few minutes until the oil set-
tles, and then check the oil level
through the engine oil level check
window located at the bottom-right
side of the crankcase.
4. If the engine oil is below the mini-
mum level mark, add sufficient oil
of the recommended type to raise
it to the correct level.

After the the oil settles you can get a very accurate reading by adding just a little at a time and waiting for it to show in the window. This bike is a little fiddly with oil changes but the window reading actually works if you do it according to the manual.

 

[PAULIBIKER]

So "bottom line"..................4 qts if you drain oil on sidestand and 3.6 qts if you drain oil on centerstand.

We can now close this thread.

 

[Jlq1969]

In the end, the S10 generates a lot of worries. while some worry about the level of oil, others worry about the temperature of it