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The size of the plug in that link is M12 x 1.5. Any size M12 crush washer will work as long as it is copper or aluminum.

This is a fairly common drain plug size for motorcycles but not so much for cars or other types of engines. Your local motorcycle dealer should have that size magnetic plug in stock and sold under the Bikemaster, Moose or a generic brands.

You can also find them very cheap on Ebay, Amazon and many of the online motorcycle parts stores.
 

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tomatocity said:
I have not replaced the original oil drain bolt washers in 52,500 miles. No leaks. I do have them in my spare parts package.
Nor I in 93k miles. Still no leaks. ;)

Just a little clarification on the 12mm copper washers. These are not really 'crush' washers. A real crush washer is hollow and as you tighten the drain/fill plug, it collapses, (crushes), to form a perfect seal between the bolt and the case. The FJR uses these on the diff fill and drain plugs, for example. Another would be many, if not most, spark plugs with washers. There is a certain feel for this and these are really one time use, though you can certainly get away with multiple uses in some cases. (it's definitely not the end of the world to re-use one, just not advisable for maximum benefits)

The copper washers we have on the Super Tenere serve some purpose as a seal, but the reason they are there is to help avoid damage to the aluminum engine and diff cases from over tightening. Simply put, the copper washer will deform before you strip the threads from over tightening the drain plug. Some owners believe the copper hardens from use and heat and will anneal them before re-using them. I personally feel this is over kill, but to each their own. That said, if you notice that the washer, copper or aluminum, is getting deformed from repeated use, do replace it. For the heavy handed among us, the washer will slowly get thinner from use, as each time the drain bolt is tightened 'just a little more' than tight, it spreads out and deforms the copper washer. Far, far better that than slowly deforming the threads in the case!
 

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When I finally got around to my first oil change (both sump and transfer case), I had a couple funnels I thought would be just the ticket; a Hopkins FloTool 10701 for the transfer case, and a Hopkins 10709 for the crankcase/sump.

In both cases the funnel outlet was too large, though the 10701 got the job done on the transfer case I still made a mess. Any recommendations for funnels that fit, and make neat work of this?

Also as a footnote: Why is the transfer case called a differential? I haven't been able to find the second drive wheel out back on my XT1200Z that this 'differential' splits power to...
 

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To answer your question I would, personally speaking, need to understand the question, as I know it, the transfer case is on the left side of the engine, almost where the gear shift lever is, where the gears attached to the drive shaft that then links to the final drive hub and then to the rear wheel.
 

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hoak said:
When I finally got around to my first oil change (both sump and transfer case), I had a couple funnels I thought would be just the ticket; a Hopkins FloTool 10701 for the transfer case, and a Hopkins 10709 for the crankcase/sump.

In both cases the funnel outlet was too large, though the 10701 got the job done on the transfer case I still made a mess. Any recommendations for funnels that fit, and make neat work of this?...
For the crankcase use a Hopkins 10704 or similar available off the shelf at Walmart or any auto parts.
http://www.skygeek.com/10704.html?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_content=10704&utm_campaign=froogle&gclid=CjwKEAjwueytBRCmpOyZ2L-xrG8SJADwH5c6bH6mvrxasp1aolmAHViVtXx0MW_MLivlYwzpekQHaxoCM7fw_wcB

For the final drive I use Liqui Moly oil and container has a pull out dispenser tube that fits fill hole perfect. Oil is full synthetic and has some moly content in it also. Good stuff. NAPA used to carry it but can never find it in stock there anymore.
http://www.amazon.com/Liqui-Moly-75W-90-Fully-Synthetic/dp/B0055HS24O

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Thank you SilverBullet, those look perfect! Your Liqui Moly link also referenced this little aparatus that while it looks like it might be a little slow to add with; the volume of the final drive is small, so it might be just the thing. I'll order one give it a go next change, and report back here, would be nice if a fairly consistent number of pumps filled the final drive just right.

Dogdaze, don't know what you don't understand about my question so it's difficult to indulge you. Generally as I've been exposed to it a differential references a spur or planetary gear final drive that divides power between two driving wheels allowing one to rotate faster when going around turns -- as the Super Ténéré only has one rear wheel this seems a spurious use of the word.

While I've heard the nomenclature of 'transfer case' used in context of both front/rear differentials for four wheel drives, I believe it's also been used to reference any gear case that either changes the direction or angle of rotation of an engine's output -- like the power take off on tractors et al. and the Super Ténéré final drive... Perhaps this is no more technically correct then calling it a differential... As far as funnles I really don't want to indulge lengthy digression of what a funnel is for or why some wouldn't work on the Super Ténéré.

Looks like Homey be play'n that game?
 

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hoak said:
Thank you SilverBullet, those look perfect! Your Liqui Moly link also referenced this little aparatus that while it looks like it might be a little slow to add with; the volume of the final drive is small, so it might be just the thing. I'll order one give it a go next change, and report back here, would be nice if a fairly consistent number of pumps filled the final drive just right.

Dogdaze, don't know what you don't understand about my question so it's difficult to indulge you. Generally as I've been exposed to it a differential references a spur or planetary gear final drive that divides power between two driving wheels allowing one to rotate faster when going around turns -- as the Super Ténéré only has one rear wheel this seems a spurious use of the word.

While I've heard the nomenclature of 'transfer case' used in context of both front/rear differentials for four wheel drives, I believe it's also been used to reference any gear case that either changes the direction or angle of rotation of an engine's output -- like the power take off on tractors et al. and the Super Ténéré final drive... Perhaps this is no more technically correct then calling it a differential... As far as funnles I really don't want to indulge lengthy digression of what a funnel is for or why some wouldn't work on the Super Ténéré.

Looks like Homey be play'n that game?
Ah, ok, thanks for clearing that up, I knew you were being pedantic 'cos I know people on here cannot be that puerile ::008::
 

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hoak said:
Thank you SilverBullet, those look perfect! Your Liqui Moly link also referenced this little aparatus that while it looks like it might be a little slow to add with; the volume of the final drive is small, so it might be just the thing. I'll order one give it a go next change, and report back here, would be nice if a fairly consistent number of pumps filled the final drive just right....
You really don't need that pump, I think it would actually create more of a mess. Each bottle of oil contains a pull out dispenser. It fits easily into the oil fill hole on the final drive and you just tilt bottle and fill slowly until oil weeps out. Best not to fill drive by volume or number of pumps. Fill until full is the spec.



Note: the bottle photo'd above is one I bought years ago when name was Lubro Moly, now changed to Liqui Moly but same stuff.

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Yes, that absolutely looks like the way to go, price is right and especially after reading that Super Ténéré final drives run measurably cooler with synthetic gear oil... Unfortunately I got a deal on Yahalube final drive oil, and have a few bottles of that I'll have to dispense with first. As far as the pump thinger I was just think'n that if say 15 or so pumps got you close you'd know to slow down and start watching for oil coming out. BTW that Hopkins 10704 is brilliant! How much does it hold?
 

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hoak said:
Also as a footnote: Why is the transfer case called a differential? I haven't been able to find the second drive wheel out back on my XT1200Z that this 'differential' splits power to...
Engineer? :D

Don't over think it, just enjoy the ride. If the commonly used, if technically incorrect, term bothers you, consider it an open differential with a ghost half shaft. ;) This is a topic for other areas of the forum, like debate rooms.

As to fluid and putting it into the machine's holes, remember that there is a sump, and an oil tank to be drained during fluid changes, but only one filler location. The engine oil fill port is at an odd angle. Always wondered why it was so difficult for manufacturers to grasp basic designs, then I remembered... engineers draw them. ??? But I digress. I use a plastic, flexible neck funnel and secure the top to the fairing during the filling process. This puts the opening of the funnel at a level orientation. Nothing fancy, just something I found at the local auto parts store long, long ago.

On the final drive, I prefer to use Valvoline SynPower full synthetic 75/90 gear oil. The housing runs noticeably cooler and the bottle's cap incorporates a nozzle that makes it clean and easy to fill with. I have been using this instead of the Yamaha fluid for over 90k on the S10 and ~120k on a previously owned FJR with no issues, leaks or repairs of that area.

Choose your tools and your fluids and enjoy the bike. ::008::
 

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hoak said:
Also as a footnote: Why is the transfer case called a differential? I haven't been able to find the second drive wheel out back on my XT1200Z that this 'differential' splits power to...

LOL, you are totally right in nomenclature and it's the kind of thing my lady catches me on all the time. Her forum name is Word-Nerd.
:D
We are loosely "borrowing" the term from rear-wheel drive four wheel vehicles, in which the outer wheel drives faster than the inner wheel. The drive shaft gives power to the "differential" gear set. In our motorcycles, we just have a set of gears which change the direction of rotation.
 

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I always figured if it had a ring and pinion, it was a differential. Transfer case is something altogether different.
 

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kurtfriedrich said:
Dang, I read all 27 pages, and I was really hoping for an exciting ending, like he dies at the end, or she was actually a he, or something! :mad:

Tune in next week for the thrilling conclusion..... ::017::
 

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kurtfriedrich said:
Dang, I read all 27 pages, and I was really hoping for an exciting ending, like he dies at the end, or she was actually a he, or something! :mad:
Expectations... the demise of happiness :(
 
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