Oil Change

whisperquiet

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I’ve done it both ways….every oil change with a filter and every other oil change with a filter. I am currently with the every other oil change and only use Honda, Yamaha, and/or HiFloFiltro oil filters. I do remove and drain the oil filter each time it is not replaced.
 

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When it comes to services I don't screw around on trying to save a coin here and there.
Every 6,000km full oil change with OE filter and oil. This is true with every thing I own.
My F350 diesel, every 10,000km OE filter and T6 5-40 oil.
My Yamaha sled, start of every season which translate on average about 1500km/season, OE filter and oil.
My boat and kicker, start of season also.
The truck is most expensive, around $300
The Tenere and sled are both around the $120 each. IMO cheaper then an engine and down time.
 

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Who uses and engine oil flush prior to doing the full filter/oil change ? I've not found mention in the 25 pages just read. Skidoo mentioned recently he's now doing this as a regular step.
Seems to have worked in his GTR14 and the S10s thus far.

EricV do you have any info?
Also EricV that STP zinc product. Do you have an item description for that product please? I may have missed its code or part number.

Cheers
 

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Who uses and engine oil flush prior to doing the full filter/oil change ? I've not found mention in the 25 pages just read. Skidoo mentioned recently he's now doing this as a regular step.
Seems to have worked in his GTR14 and the S10s thus far.

EricV do you have any info?
Also EricV that STP zinc product. Do you have an item description for that product please? I may have missed its code or part number.

Cheers
Pretty sure that EricV is no longer part of this forum.

Never used engine flush on any motorcycle I’ve owned, in 42 years. Probably never would either. No positive or negative thoughts on using it, just not something I’d consider.
 

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Thanks Boris.

Wasnt sure about EricV as I see posts on other forums.

Ive been considering making this part of my diesel service with PDP regens and truly crappy looking oil even from almost new and as I posted Skidoo does this on all his teneres.
I know Karl well and wondered if anyone else used a flush.

Ill watch and wait on the bike front. My ute will get them from now on.
 

lund

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Who uses and engine oil flush prior to doing the full filter/oil change ? I've not found mention in the 25 pages just read. Skidoo mentioned recently he's now doing this as a regular step.
Seems to have worked in his GTR14 and the S10s thus far.

EricV do you have any info?
Also EricV that STP zinc product. Do you have an item description for that product please? I may have missed its code or part number.

Cheers
Someone somewhere will say different but now your heading down the road of grief.
Not something I would do or recommend unless it is an old high miler. Most of these so called cleaners will swell the seals and then the bottom end of the engine starts leaking.
I don't know why anyone would even consider it. A simple oil change with other periodic maintenance is all is needed. The rest is more likely a waste of money and more likely to cause issues in the long term.
 

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Who uses and engine oil flush prior to doing the full filter/oil change ? I've not found mention in the 25 pages just read. Skidoo mentioned recently he's now doing this as a regular step.
Seems to have worked in his GTR14 and the S10s thus far.

EricV do you have any info?
Also EricV that STP zinc product. Do you have an item description for that product please? I may have missed its code or part number.

Cheers
Just use a good quality synthetic and keep up with changes. The synthetic will help clean out any old crap and regular changes keep it out. Run some Seafoam, Yamaha Ring-free or similar fuel treatment on a regular basis and you should be more than fine. Stay away from engine flushes, though. Only a lighter wallet and perhaps heartache will result.

Eville Rich
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RCinNC

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I've got 97,000 miles on my 2014, and I've never used any sort of engine flush. I've done regular oil changes every 4000 miles, sometimes with motorcycle specific oil, sometimes with Rotella, and sometimes with *gasp* house brand oil from O'Reilly Auto. I had an oil analysis done about 10,000 miles ago, and the analysis showed less than normal wear for an engine of that age and mileage.

Oil already has detergents in it, for the exact purpose of cleaning oil galleries and getting rid of sludge. If you do regular oil changes, I don't see the purpose in using some sort of engine flush.
 

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I took a good long read of the Penrite Flush product.
Observations.
No solvents and has extra zinc. Seems I remember reading just that earlier in this thread. Its a pre Oil drain service product and not a detergent oil. It goes in the motor for 10 minutes operation once the motor is at op temp. 50ml per 1ltr of oil cap.
Penrite go to great lengths to be explicit about its use..."The solvent free formulation protects gaskets and seals from damage during the cleaning process."
"Its suitable for use with Mineral, Semi Synthetic and Full Synthetic Oils.

This bike has been on a diet of Penrite HPR10 Full Synthetic10W-50 Extra Ten Full Zinc oil from the 7000k Odo. Its at 60,000 and had greatly reduced use for the last 3 years.
A typical ride will see the bike run with not much down time for between 17 and 23 hrs in a sitting. Typically I'm stopped for around an hour total on the shorter rides or up to 75 minutes on the longer runs.

Depending on the length of the next trip planned I might drop the oil earlier than service interval simply to bank away 6000 or 7000km needed in the trip so I'm not messing about with oil changes on my trips back home.
In August I'm participating in our IBA Australia 20th Anniversary 50 hr Coast to Coast. My plan requires 1200km to the start point,3700km in the anniversary leg and around 4900km for the homeward leg.
That's 9800km aprox in a f120 odd hours duration. This next change will get an engine flush. Then another oil change will be in the week prior to the big game. It'll be an early change to fit the plan.
Once home it'll just get the normal filter/oil change no flush till 100,000km

Oils Cheap.
 

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The instructions for Marvel Mystery oil flush are clearly printed on every bottle, I’ve only done it once but was very happy with the results and felt it was well worth the time and effort.
 

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At about 400,000 miles I did a Marvel Mystery oil flush on my Goldwing, I could hardly believe how much cleaner the engine oil seemed to stay for a long time and the oil consumption also went down quite a bit, the Goldwing turned 600,000 miles last week and still runs like new.
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At 400,000 miles I would call that high milage and would do a flush but otherwise even if you go over the recommended interval its not needed.
Though I'm a yamalube kinda guy, I don't mess with other brands. I use it in my 250hp 9,000rpm turbo sled so the 1200 S10 tractor motor will survive on just yamalube for many many miles.

There are no comparison between the S10 1200 motor and the Genesis 998 used in certain Yamaha powersport. The 998 is a work of art of precision components and exotic metals, while the S10 is nearly suitable for farm use LOL.
Yet Yamalube is used and nothing else.
FYI, the Yamaha 998 Genesis on a reflash makes 250hp and 198ft/lbs of torque. It is the most powerful powersport motor on the planet at the moment.
 
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whisperquiet

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At 400,000 miles I would call that high milage and would do a flush but otherwise even if you go over the recommended interval its not needed.
Though I'm a yamalube kinda guy, I don't mess with other brands. I use it in my 250hp 9,000rpm turbo sled so the 1200 S10 tractor motor will survive on just yamalube for many many miles.

There are no comparison between the S10 1200 motor and the Genesis 998 used in certain Yamaha powersport. The 998 is a work of art of precision components and exotic metals, while the S10 is nearly suitable for farm use LOL.
Yet Yamalube is used and nothing else.
FYI, the Yamaha 998 Genesis on a reflash makes 250hp and 198ft/lbs of torque. It is the most powerful powersport motor on the planet at the moment.
An amazing engine stock!
 
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