No idle and high idle problem

[Koinz]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

Fedev and Gcontroller,

Did you see this explanation in this thread.
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2895.msg115062#msg115062

All Bikes have problems, but my opinion of Yamaha's is very high. With all the new electronics I'm sure the Mechanics are behind the curve in knowing how to tackle these issues.

I hope all your issues get resolved.

 

[snakebitten]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

Not laughing AT anyone, but the conclusions are kinda funny.

Out with the baby!

 

[Gcontroller]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

Update so far so good. No issues in the last 1000 miles. Have continued to use the fuel treatment the dealer suggested. Will continue to put more miles on the bike but so far she runs great. Time will tell.

 

[fedev2]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

Fedev and Gcontroller,

Did you see this explanation in this thread.
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=2895.msg115062#msg115062

All Bikes have problems, but my opinion of Yamaha's is very high. With all the new electronics I'm sure the Mechanics are behind the curve in knowing how to tackle these issues.

I hope all your issues get resolved.

Yes I've seen that explanation since the very first moment, in my case, the dealer now is working along with yamaha's technician because they "think" its a EMI problem, the armour of the wiring apparently it is not properly placed. I've done 40,000 km with this bike in 1 year, but another year and a half was spent at the dealer,IMO the bike is not a bad product at all, BUT what Yamaha offers as a brand in this country is behind every other in the market, BMW's may have problems but dealers solve them, replacing or fixing but solve them. I'm not a BMW fan, I'm far from that but I must admit their dealers are more serious than Yamaha's. I've took the bike to 5 different Yamaha's dealer and NONE of the came up with a solution.
It's not a common bike here, and the street is plenty of GS so, dont expect to see a lot of ST riding around with Yamaha acting like this. Look like their only goal is achieved by selling u$s1000 bikes normally used for delivering food or postcards.

 

[Koinz]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

Yes I've seen that explanation since the very first moment, in my case, the dealer now is working along with yamaha's technician because they "think" its a EMI problem, the armour of the wiring apparently it is not properly placed. I've done 40,000 km with this bike in 1 year, but another year and a half was spent at the dealer,IMO the bike is not a bad product at all, BUT what Yamaha offers as a brand in this country is behind every other in the market, BMW's may have problems but dealers solve them, replacing or fixing but solve them. I'm not a BMW fan, I'm far from that but I must admit their dealers are more serious than Yamaha's. I've took the bike to 5 different Yamaha's dealer and NONE of the came up with a solution.
It's not a common bike here, and the street is plenty of GS so, dont expect to see a lot of ST riding around with Yamaha acting like this. Look like their only goal is achieved by selling u$s1000 bikes normally used for delivering food or postcards.

Glad to hear that Yamaha is involved. Hopefully they'll find the issue that you and a few others have complained about. If you can get there official fix, please share it with us. I haven't had the problem, but it would be nice to know in case more of us do.

Thanks.

 

[Fintenere]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

Has anyone else seen this? The recall is for Vmax.

'All Gen 2 owners, please be aware of the following warranty recall notices:
I just received the October issue of Motorcycle Consumer News and read of a recall on the '09 Vmax. 700 Units were affected and Yamaha is recalling certain models of '09 VMX17 motorcycles manufactured between June of '08 and March of '09.
There could be excessive electrical resistance in the ground wire from the Accelerator Position Sensor (APS) and the Throttle Posistion Sensor (TPS) due to an insufficient crimped connection.
Excessive resistance can cause incorrect signals to be sent to the ECU which could lead to unstable idle speed. Improper idle speed can result in a crash.
The safety recall began on July 28, 2010. Owners may contact Yamaha at 800-962-7926'

The recall is a little old but the fault might be the same which is bothering some Teneres too.

 

[Koinz]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

Has anyone else seen this? The recall is for Vmax.

'All Gen 2 owners, please be aware of the following warranty recall notices:
I just received the October issue of Motorcycle Consumer News and read of a recall on the '09 Vmax. 700 Units were affected and Yamaha is recalling certain models of '09 VMX17 motorcycles manufactured between June of '08 and March of '09. :question:
There could be excessive electrical resistance in the ground wire from the Accelerator Position Sensor (APS) and the Throttle Posistion Sensor (TPS) due to an insufficient crimped connection.
Excessive resistance can cause incorrect signals to be sent to the ECU which could lead to unstable idle speed. Improper idle speed can result in a crash.
The safety recall began on July 28, 2010. Owners may contact Yamaha at 800-962-7926'

The recall is a little old but the fault might be the same which is bothering some Teneres too.

Could be something similar. You would think that yamaha would have some record of other model issues though.
:question:

 

[Fintenere]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

More comments to my earlier post please.

 

[Nimbus]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

So mine started it again yesterday. The common issue on my bike is cold/humid. It has never done it when warm outside, only when near freezing and very humid. I'd also tend to believe that it's an electrical issue.

 

[Gcontroller]

Re: Idle speed problem min 800 max 3500

Ok so bike back in the shop again for the same issue I reported earlier. This time it was in the shop for 13 days on top of the 5 days it was in the first time. The solution? They synced the throttle bodies and suggest I run engine med in every tank of fuel. That's it? They were unable to replicate the problem. Judging by the mileage when it went in and when I got it home they didn't test ride it for more then 1 mile if any in the 13 days they had it this time. I was told there were fuel deposits on the valves due to running at low rpm. This is a freeway commuter bike that does 70-85+ mph on a regular basis on my 100 mile daily commute it doesn't see offroad or extended low rpm. And fuel deposits on my valves will cause a stuck throttle or low idle / stalling? Something doesn't sound right to me. But I will run it until it does it again which I hope it doesn't fingers crossed. Their first diagnosis was possible bad servos on the throttle body. The Dealer planned to try to get them replaced under warranty. That didn't happen. I did see an error code 60 last time the throttle was stuck at 5000 rpm once I shut it off and tried to re-start it.

I have other issues with their billing for services this bike can't even receive but won't get into that. I will be speaking with them again tomorrow hopefully we can iron that out. But hey they were very friendly............ Ran fine on my 50 mile ride back to my house from their shop in Thousand Oaks.

1/8/15 update bike is at at 15,000 miles. I have followed the dealers suggestion and have been using Engine Med RX in every tank it's only 1 ounce. The bike is running great. I failed to mention they did replace the plugs as well last time they only had about 12,000 + miles on them. I hope that the problem was just simply gummed up throttle bodies and a little carbon build up as the fuel treatment seems to be working. I am again really enjoying riding this bike. I've read a lot about other cures for the problem I experienced many seem very complex. I hope this simple fix works and helps others to get the bike running like it should. Give it a try and give it some time. It seems to have worked for me. But more miles and time will tell. Good luck fellas.

 

[Puff998]

No idle and high idle ??

I have a 2012 S10 with 60k on it . Recently it has been in the shop three times for a no idle issue. Dealer has been unable to find the cause .it seems to cure itself and then returns after 2-3 weeks ...when idle does return unexpectedly I get a high rpm idle issue ?. anybody else have this issue ?. Any help much needed ..thanks .

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

It has happened to me recently dead zero idle stalled with clutch in or out restart with engine light then 3k rpm ramp up, turn it off then start again and 3k idle again turn it off then nothing wait two minutes then it starts but had to nurse the throttle to get home as it had no idle!!

We are discussing this on another thread another member started along with High thermostat temp before it happened.
I took my air box apart the next day and started the bike ( no issues idling go figure) spraying down the Butterfly's replaced one vacuum cap on the battery side throttle body that looked like it may have had damage pored 1/4 small bottle of Lucas injector cleaner in the full tank and it has not been an issue since, not even heat issue.
Since high temp reading came before the issue I popped the cap and all was full and clean.
As this seems to be a Gremlin/ bad gas who knows if all that stuff finalized the issue 35k flawless miles and out of the blue crap starts happening.

Have you had a ECU flash done to your bike if I may ask?

 

[Nimbus]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

Same thing happens with mine. check the other thread in this section for more info.

 

[Nimbus]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

This one: http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=16421.0

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

In short no one knows what causes it as of yet!! ::017::

 

[cory1848]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

Mine has done it 3 times. First when riding at 50 or so, pulled in clutch to change gears and idle shot up. Let out clutch and it went away. First I thought it was my go cruise interfering but after checking that it wasnt. Second time was from start up. Started bike to warm it up (40 degrees out at the time) backed it out of a parking space and turning the bars caused it to high idle at 4k. It was stuck there. Clutch had no affect in or out. Turning bars no affect about to key it off and it returned to normal. Third time was at stop light. Kept trying to blip throttle and light turned green so I went and hasnt returned yet.

Spent two weeks at the dealer along with my high temp issues and dealer could not find a thing. GM of the shop told me he had it happen to his 2010 once and he cycled the key 2-3 times and it never happened again. Hasnt happened to me since my trip so no idea what it could be. Difference with mine is that I never had a no idle situation. It has never just died at a light or a stop.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

Last night I took the bike for a ride just installed my Eastern Beaver 3CS for my heated vest and glove liners.
I was out on the road heading for the mountains so I can check out how good the gear works, stopped in at a pull over pulled the clutch in and it died.
I didn't have the heated gear on yet and it was doing fine until I slowed down to stop.
OH-SH*t not again!! ::010::
So I turned the bike off then turned the key back on and fired it up no problem except it was idling around 1.4 to 1.5k for the rest of the ride about 25 miles in S or T mode S mode showed no engine breaking as much as T but I have had my ECU flashed to eliminate some of the break.
Being at night I had a chance to notice something that happened before it went south, the lights get a little flicker hardly noticed it but it was something that I have never noticed riding at night.
By the time I got back home to my neck of the woods the idle was back to 1000 to 1100k all was well.

And I wired the 3CS without a hitch the vest and liners worked well almost to well. ::013::

Any new updates from you guys.

 

[Kevhunts]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

Check your battery connections & have the battery load tested.

 

[Ramseybella]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

Check your battery connections & have the battery load tested.

Just checked my Voltage the day before spot on, the connections are clean and tight I am most likely ready for a new battery but it has been a healthy start every time.
Seriously I don't think this issue is the battery I think it is shorting out something in the system, took it out today no problem.
But as I have pointed out "No one know as of yet".. ::024::

 

[Nimbus]

Re: No idle and high idle ??

Mine did it again today. A bit of a rough idle at a light 2 miles from my house, then 10 minutes later after a 70mph commute, I entered an off ramp and found 0 engine braking as the engine was "idling" at 2500 rpms. Next two miles was the same story...42mph or so with a closed throttle grip. I pulled into work, stopped, restarted the bike twice and it disappeared into a perfect 1100rpm idle.