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Butterthebean

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Howdy folks. New guy here from Texas. Been a big fan of Yamahas for many years and currently ride a '06 Royal Star. But I've pretty much decided that this will be my last cruiser. Just doesn't do it for me any more. I really like the Tenere and I think it may be my next bike. I'm sure I will buy used as I'm a man of modest means. Just wondering if there are any year models to be avoided or anything specific I should look out for.

Also...as a big/tall guy with bad (read inflexible) knees, how is the leg room on the Tenere compared to a typical cruiser. I realize the riding position is very different and the pegs are further back, but the seat height on the Tenere seems so much higher... I'm wondering if the knee bend is comparable or will I get cramped.

Thanks for any insight.
 

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Welcome aboard. So far, Gen1 went 2010-2013 and Gen2 was 2014-present. They are largely similar with the Gen2 having a lot of refinements. The bikes are pretty bullet proof with a few quirks, especially in the few Gen1 bikes that could have hard starts (lots of documentation here), but none of the real big issues like so many bikes have. Now going into year 9, a simple forum search will answer most any question you'll have.

Ergonomically the upright position is a LOT easier on the knees. Like with the BMW GS series and most other bid ADV bikes, it's a kitchen chair posture.
 

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Welcome aboard Butterthebean !
As far as your knees both generations of the Tenere will be the same but a pretty significant improvement over your Royal Star.
I recently traded my 2013 with only 50,000 miles for a new 2018 ES, the main thing I was after was cruise control but to me all the other small improvements on the 2nd generation are very significant, it was a very expensive trade but I’m very happy with the results.
 

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Welcome to the forum. To elaborate on what CW posted, the only issue to really be aware of is that on Gen I bikes the Cam Chain Tensioner, (CCT), is known to fail around 50k miles or later. Mine failed at 83k miles, others have failed closer to 50k. One may have failed earlier than that, but there hasn't been good follow up on that case, so it's unknown if there were other things in play.

Yamaha generally accepts that you should replace the CCT before or at the second valve check. Super Tenere's have a 26k mile valve check/adjust interval. So if you decide to go with one of the really great deals on Gen I bikes, ask if the CCT has been replaced. If it hasn't, or you can't verify that it has, consider pinging your local dealer to see what that would cost. The part is less than $100, but installation cost can vary widely.

Now, if it's just a low mile bike, don't stress about it. It's not going to fail w/o warning. The cam chain starts getting noisy on the upper right side of the engine on cold starts. If it's more than 5 seconds, it's starting to become an issue. Just something to plan on dealing with when you get to the next valve check interval. Be aware that the CCT was superseded, so there is only one in the part system now and it's the latest version. There have been two updates. The same part fits all Super Tenere bikes from 2010 to 2019. No failures of the later part have been reported. Some feel it's just preventative maintenance to replace it every other valve check/adjustment. I can live with doing that every 52k miles. :)

Just about the only other issue for Gen I bikes that you might call an "issue" is that after around 50-60k miles or so the clutch can get a little vibey in the 3500 rpm range under load. If and when that starts to bother you with more vibration, you can swap to the Gen II clutch hub which has been re-designed, and it will be a direct swap. It's not listed as a superseded part, but it fits. You buy the clutch hub and nut for it, along with a gasket and you're out about $400 or less. Easy to do yourself if you have an impact wrench. Don't even need to dump the oil.

And again, nothing here is going to break, just some extra vibration. It's totally a matter of if it bothers you or not.

There are various specific changes between Gen I and II. The over all result is that the Gen II is smoother, but the Gen I is no dog. Find a good deal, and decide you don't need/want cruise control, go for the Gen I. Everything else can be added. For that matter, you can add a nice Rostra electronic CC to the Gen I for a very reasonable cost too.

Poke around the forum, do some searches and enjoy some reading. Can't find an answer to your questions, ask them!
 

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Welcome to the forum. To elaborate on what CW posted, the only issue to really be aware of is that on Gen I bikes the Cam Chain Tensioner, (CCT), is known to fail around 50k miles or later. Mine failed at 83k miles, others have failed closer to 50k. One may have failed earlier than that, but there hasn't been good follow up on that case, so it's unknown if there were other things in play.

Yamaha generally accepts that you should replace the CCT before or at the second valve check. Super Tenere's have a 26k mile valve check/adjust interval. So if you decide to go with one of the really great deals on Gen I bikes, ask if the CCT has been replaced. If it hasn't, or you can't verify that it has, consider pinging your local dealer to see what that would cost. The part is less than $100, but installation cost can vary widely.

Now, if it's just a low mile bike, don't stress about it. It's not going to fail w/o warning. The cam chain starts getting noisy on the upper right side of the engine on cold starts. If it's more than 5 seconds, it's starting to become an issue. Just something to plan on dealing with when you get to the next valve check interval. Be aware that the CCT was superseded, so there is only one in the part system now and it's the latest version. There have been two updates. The same part fits all Super Tenere bikes from 2010 to 2019. No failures of the later part have been reported. Some feel it's just preventative maintenance to replace it every other valve check/adjustment. I can live with doing that every 52k miles. :)

Just about the only other issue for Gen I bikes that you might call an "issue" is that after around 50-60k miles or so the clutch can get a little vibey in the 3500 rpm range under load. If and when that starts to bother you with more vibration, you can swap to the Gen II clutch hub which has been re-designed, and it will be a direct swap. It's not listed as a superseded part, but it fits. You buy the clutch hub and nut for it, along with a gasket and you're out about $400 or less. Easy to do yourself if you have an impact wrench. Don't even need to dump the oil.

And again, nothing here is going to break, just some extra vibration. It's totally a matter of if it bothers you or not.

There are various specific changes between Gen I and II. The over all result is that the Gen II is smoother, but the Gen I is no dog. Find a good deal, and decide you don't need/want cruise control, go for the Gen I. Everything else can be added. For that matter, you can add a nice Rostra electronic CC to the Gen I for a very reasonable cost too.

Poke around the forum, do some searches and enjoy some reading. Can't find an answer to your questions, ask them!

Thanks... that's some great info. I just got the okay from my financial advisor....aka the missus.... to trade in my current bike so I'll be looking very soon.
 

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Welcome aboard Butterthebean !
As far as your knees both generations of the Tenere will be the same but a pretty significant improvement over your Royal Star.
I recently traded my 2013 with only 50,000 miles for a new 2018 ES, the main thing I was after was cruise control but to me all the other small improvements on the 2nd generation are very significant, it was a very expensive trade but I’m very happy with the results.

So you're saying I'll have more leg room on the Tenere than my Royal Star? If so, that's great news. I have enough leg room on the cruiser but I wouldn't want to have much less.
 

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I traded my 06 RS (tour deluxe) in on a Tenere. Loved the RS but got tired of all that weight!
I can say the S10 is the best all-around bike I've owned now, and I only ride on asphalt.
That doesn't mean I'm still not looking though. After a year or two of owning a bike and can't think of
any more mods to make for my bike, I start looking again.
Now I'm thinking of downsizing to a NC750X. One thing about going from 5 gears to 6 is it seems I'm shifting ALL the time.
I'll probably go with the DCT and eliminate that! Small tank, but great MPG, you almost get the same range as the S10.
Heck, they even call it an Adv bike, that's a stretch.
 

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The NC 750X DCT is a really good bike.
My riding mate have this bike, model 2015 (before Honda added more driving modes), bought in 2016.
No problem at all.... not even a wrong sound.
Only thing is that suspension is much too soft, but I think Honda have changed this on the new model, at least the front..
 

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So you're saying I'll have more leg room on the Tenere than my Royal Star? If so, that's great news. I have enough leg room on the cruiser but I wouldn't want to have much less.
Welcome to the forum.
I was once a Royal Star nut ! I had two "97" Tour Classics with the 4X4 pipes and two Royal Star Ventures. My wife had a "97" Royal Star Palomino (very rare at only 85 made).
If you liked your cruise on the Tour Deluxe then go with a 2014 model or newer.
As for the leg room it will be an improvement but your legs will be more under you than in front of you.
You will like.
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Both of Scoop's Classics were gorgeous, but that Palomino was special. I put over a hundred k on my '97 Diamond Black and Platinum. Quad Vance & Hines, dayum I miss that old girl. My buddy wants to sell it back to me, what a pal...
 

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Welcome enjoy
It sounds like you haven't even had a chance to set on one. I suggest at least start there. I'm 6' 3" around 215lb. The first time I did at a dealership I had a smile ear to ear and knew that the search was on. Also might add that it was hard to find a dealer in my area to even have one on the floor. Yes the seat is tall and maybe swinging your leg over could be a challenge but go find out. At first I thought the seat was great. But after some extended time on it I have changed my mind. I haven't decided what to do with it yet. It feels very flat but I think the top edge is too square. Seams to cut the blood flow I've noticed my feet going numb some time. I found my 2015 es in January of this year. I've enjoyed every mile i have put on it this year. The previous owner put a lot of extra goodies on it. I think that the best way to buy one. Good luck in your search. Can't wait to see what you decide.
 

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I'll suggest it also depends on what you want to do with it. If you are looking for a replacement of the Royal Star and will always stay on the pavement, then, like was said earlier, don't underestimate the cruise control. That feature is only on the 2014 and later, and it's addicting. One of those feature that you'll never want to be without once you've experienced it.

However, if you are interested in learning the dirtier side of the Tenere (assuming you would need to learn), a 2012/2013 might be the best option. They are extremely reasonably priced, and there is much less mental stress dropping a $5K bike vs a $11K bike.
 

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It sounds like you haven't even had a chance to set on one. I suggest at least start there. I'm 6' 3" around 215lb. The first time I did at a dealership I had a smile ear to ear and knew that the search was on. Also might add that it was hard to find a dealer in my area to even have one on the floor. Yes the seat is tall and maybe swinging your leg over could be a challenge but go find out. At first I thought the seat was great. But after some extended time on it I have changed my mind. I haven't decided what to do with it yet. It feels very flat but I think the top edge is too square. Seams to cut the blood flow I've noticed my feet going numb some time. I found my 2015 es in January of this year. I've enjoyed every mile i have put on it this year. The previous owner put a lot of extra goodies on it. I think that the best way to buy one. Good luck in your search. Can't wait to see what you decide.
You’re right I have not. I’ve got a test ride scheduled for a 2012 model on Tuesday. Looking forward to it.
 
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