Great for the Starbucks crowd.
http://blogs.motorcyclistonline.com/spied-bmw-s1000-adv-41553.html
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http://blogs.motorcyclistonline.com/spied-bmw-s1000-adv-41553.html
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Just further proof that one man's definition of "Adventure Bike" can be very different than mine.
It's an ever expanding genre. Now being added to with streetbikes.
You can put off road tires on a Mustang GT. Then park it next to a Raptor.
It's an ever expanding genre. Now being added to with streetbikes.
You can put off road tires on a Mustang GT. Then park it next to a Raptor.
I wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in owning something like that. Looks an answer to a question no one asked. They might sell about 4 of 'em but I'm sure the magazines will all have a circle jerk over it. Think Yamaha will drop an R1 engine into an ADV chassis to compete? 
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dumbest thing I ever saw. Just to compete with the Multi Strada?? Next thing you know, they'll have GS Scooters. ::007::
Jeez, I wonder what you guys would have thought back in 1980 when BMW produced the R80GS which essentially started the entire adventure bike movement. "Stupidest idea in the world, sticking a big street-bike engine in a big touring dual-sport..." is what I would expect.
Be a little open-minded. The S1000RR is a very refined superbike and there are a lot of people who would love to have this level of refinement and power in a bike with upright/comfortable ergos, better weather protection, and a full complement of luggage/accessories. No, it wouldn't be worth a twit off-road, but truth be told, our beloved S10's aren't that great either. You could take this bike anyplace you'd take a Multistrada, for example. And given that the S1000RR is under 450-lbs, you could see this bike undercutting bikes like the S10, by over 100-lbs. For a lot of us, this is huge - the difference between being able to pick up the bike after a tipover and not being able to. There are a lot of folks, many on S10's, many on this very forum, who have either have no off-pavement aspirations whatsoever, or if they have any, they are confined to graded gravel roads. Many, many folks buy adventure bikes currently just as upright/comfortable sport-tourers and this bike might hold a lot of appeal. Some call them Starbucks posers, but most simply want a general-purpose touring bike that is comfortable and lets them explore a gravel road without worrying about scratching up the plastic.
And just how different is this bike from Yamaha building a FZ-09 triple-based adventure tourer that everyone seems to be having a wet dream about? Does one-extra-cyl and 150cc make a bike go from "I'd kill to have that", to "Dumbest thing I ever saw."
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Be a little open-minded. The S1000RR is a very refined superbike and there are a lot of people who would love to have this level of refinement and power in a bike with upright/comfortable ergos, better weather protection, and a full complement of luggage/accessories. No, it wouldn't be worth a twit off-road, but truth be told, our beloved S10's aren't that great either. You could take this bike anyplace you'd take a Multistrada, for example. And given that the S1000RR is under 450-lbs, you could see this bike undercutting bikes like the S10, by over 100-lbs. For a lot of us, this is huge - the difference between being able to pick up the bike after a tipover and not being able to. There are a lot of folks, many on S10's, many on this very forum, who have either have no off-pavement aspirations whatsoever, or if they have any, they are confined to graded gravel roads. Many, many folks buy adventure bikes currently just as upright/comfortable sport-tourers and this bike might hold a lot of appeal. Some call them Starbucks posers, but most simply want a general-purpose touring bike that is comfortable and lets them explore a gravel road without worrying about scratching up the plastic.
And just how different is this bike from Yamaha building a FZ-09 triple-based adventure tourer that everyone seems to be having a wet dream about? Does one-extra-cyl and 150cc make a bike go from "I'd kill to have that", to "Dumbest thing I ever saw."
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If it has no design intent to be ridden off-road, you shouldn't be having to pick it up.
Nothing bad about being 100lbs lighter. But far more about performance than lifting it from dirt naps. An Aprillia RS4 is lighter than a Tenere too.
I got no beef with the bike existing. I am just continuing my protest of the silly expansion of the original definition of the genre. You know, the one that R80GS defined so legitimately.
Nothing bad about being 100lbs lighter. But far more about performance than lifting it from dirt naps. An Aprillia RS4 is lighter than a Tenere too.
I got no beef with the bike existing. I am just continuing my protest of the silly expansion of the original definition of the genre. You know, the one that R80GS defined so legitimately.
Excellent post Mark. I detected passion and emotion in that post ::024::markjenn said:
And yes, I did think the R80GS was a bike I would like one day when I was older. except for that funny looking trail bike thing they stuck on it. It had enough power, was solid and seemed to be very reliable, relatively at the time. I also just about bought a Honduzzi (CX650) once for the same reasons and the plus was it didn't have a funny looking trail bike thing stuck on it.
For me, I like the return of the General Purpose bike. I got a bit pissed about the niche marketing of all the different bikes.
Seems to me when one day I joked about the way things are going YAMAHA might as well just jack up an R1 or Honda should just release an CB1000RRR ADV a few people thought I was just being a tool.
Well look what we have here...
Now all things being fair the Next Versys 1K with the ZX10R motor and all the rider aids just to keep the thing from killing people, they sell for big bucks should have all the press just as excited.
Lets' see how that turns out.
But I agree that it makes way more sense than an uncomfortable track biased sports bike.
.Tool alert!!
I wonder what the S1000-GSA HP4 will be like.
Oh and the BUSA ADV. Should be sweet for those 300km/h runs across the dirt plains. Should have more torque for the gnarly stuff.
Anyway I'll still take an full sized MT-07 Adventure with a 25-30Litre tank thanks.
When leaving sportsbikes behind I was looking for something more comfy and better suited to my long runs into Europe and carrying a passenger, but did not want a 300kg behemoth of a tourer, nor did I fancy losing 100BHP & 100 MPH, or at least that's what I thought...
So I tried the Multistrada, I liked the position and performance, but it did not really light my fire, especially when I considered the cost (£15k / $25k) and potential issues with running costs, build quality, reliability etc.
Testing a GS for a few hours had me riding on roads I would normally have avoided, and enjoying them a lot - no traffic / no speed traps / no need to have a 200mph top end (or even 100mph for that matter)
Prior to buying a GS bikes like the Multistrada, Crosstourer, Explorer etc would have been ideal for me, in the UK most bikers are older, grew up on GSX-R's and Fireblades but now want the same buzz, but their old bodies cannot handle cramped positions and stiff suspension - I think of bikes like the Tenere as more akin to a Land Rover, and bikes like this BMW would be more like the Mitsibishi Evo's and Subura Imprezza's.
Definitely a market for it, but it is stretching the term (as we know it) of adventure bike, more like a giant supermotard (cross bred with a sports-tourer) than a giant off-road bike.
Definitely another nail in the coffin of large sportsbikes which as roads congest further and decline in condition year on year (certainly in the uk) become less and less relevant / useful will possibly disappear in a few years time, or become rare collectors toys - bring on the "World AdventureBike" championship ::008::
So I tried the Multistrada, I liked the position and performance, but it did not really light my fire, especially when I considered the cost (£15k / $25k) and potential issues with running costs, build quality, reliability etc.
Testing a GS for a few hours had me riding on roads I would normally have avoided, and enjoying them a lot - no traffic / no speed traps / no need to have a 200mph top end (or even 100mph for that matter)
Prior to buying a GS bikes like the Multistrada, Crosstourer, Explorer etc would have been ideal for me, in the UK most bikers are older, grew up on GSX-R's and Fireblades but now want the same buzz, but their old bodies cannot handle cramped positions and stiff suspension - I think of bikes like the Tenere as more akin to a Land Rover, and bikes like this BMW would be more like the Mitsibishi Evo's and Subura Imprezza's.
Definitely a market for it, but it is stretching the term (as we know it) of adventure bike, more like a giant supermotard (cross bred with a sports-tourer) than a giant off-road bike.
Definitely another nail in the coffin of large sportsbikes which as roads congest further and decline in condition year on year (certainly in the uk) become less and less relevant / useful will possibly disappear in a few years time, or become rare collectors toys - bring on the "World AdventureBike" championship ::008::
I don't think this will be 100 pounds lighter. Sure, a superbike is lighter, but put the engine in an "adventure" bike that designers have to at least give some capability to means weight gain. Rattle a S1000 down even a dirt road for some miles, and bet you will see frame problems.
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You're probably right, but given that a Ducati Multistrada is about 70-lbs heavier than a Panigale, I think this bike could be low-500's pretty easily. And I don't see any durability issue if they use the sportbike frame - these things are hell for stout for handling and have huge reserves of strength. They will have to fit a different subframe, of course.HeliMark said:
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Point is, an inline four, with its heavy, wide, valve train up high in the chassis and the with the S1000 engine being an ultra short stroke design, is going to have a vastly different powerband and being much wider than the S10's parallel twin, is a poor choice of engine to mount low in the chassis. An S10 does MUCH better off road than you give it credit for. I don't believe "everyone" is having a wet dream about an FZ-09 ADV bike, I'm sure not, for the same reasons, the engine is much wider than an adv bike engine should be. I believe that's why Yamaha is building the smaller displacement twin seen in the MT-07. That would be a nice engine for a lightweight adv bike.markjenn said:
I'm a fan of twins in adv bikes too, but not everyone shares our opinion. There certainly a lot of riders who really don't care about off-road performance, who like triples and fours, and how want (compared to the S10) 85% more power, 15% less weight, and cast rims that can mount sticky sport bike tires. For these riders, this bike will out-perform the Multistrada handily for $2K+ less. And go down gravel roads just fine.20valves said:
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More Adventure bikes, more, more, more. All manufactures, give us more.
I usually live in a world where the things I like to do are not mainstream, and little attention is paid to the markets I care about. I'm not going to discourage any manufacture from trying to put something in the Adventure space. More, more, more... Some I'll like, some won't interest me, don't care, give us more choices.
Thank you BMW, keep 'em coming. Next....
I usually live in a world where the things I like to do are not mainstream, and little attention is paid to the markets I care about. I'm not going to discourage any manufacture from trying to put something in the Adventure space. More, more, more... Some I'll like, some won't interest me, don't care, give us more choices.
Thank you BMW, keep 'em coming. Next....
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Did someone say "general Purpose bike"? That's what I was buying when I bought my S10. The more bikes the better. Variety is great and pushes limits so we'll all benefit in the long run. Wonder what we'll be riding in ten years?
Three hundred horsepower General Purpose Super Bikes with 100 modes for everything and built in camera's and wifi connectivity and apps.squarebore said:
You will spend hours at the dealer getting your bike fixed after it crashes. That will mean you have RAM failure not that your bike fell over. It just stopped and all the display went funny.
You think I jest