MT-12?

Jlq1969

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Yes, you are correct, the rear pair of cylinders don’t fire when stopped.

Interesting point by Jlq1969 about Euro 5 emissions, I wasn’t aware of the additional taxes.
Technically it would be more or less like this ... the 1260 has lower CO2 emissions than the v4, but they had to correct it before the Euro5 came into force, otherwise, the EEC would charge a tax in relation to the CO2 grm that the norm is exceeded and for each mass / weight of multistrada produced. When changing the engine (and above it produces more co2 than the previous one) ... as it is a new engine on the motorcycle, they have a “plus” time to correct it (2 years) before they start to be charged for the exceeded CO2 ... but each country has its own standards apart from the EEC and since the v4 exceeds in co2 ... some countries charge a tax surcharge because it produces more co2 ..... they do not give them the waiting time what if he gives the EEC
It is a little more complex than this ... but in general terms it is more or less like this
 

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Technically it would be more or less like this ... the 1260 has lower CO2 emissions than the v4, but they had to correct it before the Euro5 came into force, otherwise, the EEC would charge a tax in relation to the CO2 grm that the norm is exceeded and for each mass / weight of multistrada produced. When changing the engine (and above it produces more co2 than the previous one) ... as it is a new engine on the motorcycle, they have a “plus” time to correct it (2 years) before they start to be charged for the exceeded CO2 ... but each country has its own standards apart from the EEC and since the v4 exceeds in co2 ... some countries charge a tax surcharge because it produces more co2 ..... they do not give them the waiting time what if he gives the EEC
It is a little more complex than this ... but in general terms it is more or less like this
Thank you for this, it is very interesting.
 

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He was voicing an opinion that the T-12 could be a MT-12. I'm kind on the same thinking. With the T-7 being most definitely made for the dirt, more than the T-12. And, with the advent of the Tracer GT. . . . it made me realize that the T-12 is more of a GT, than a dirt bike. Especially when you consider that more, and more people are mounting road tires on them.
I have a ‘15 S10 and a ‘19 Tracer GT……….both great bikes for different reasons. The S10 for me is a super reliable, comfortable, long mileage motorcycle that I mainly use for long days in the saddle. The S10 engine is agricultural compared to the engines in my Tracer GT and Tenere 700.

The Tracer GT motorcycle is addicting to ride……comfortable, nimble, quick, simple, and so easy to ride…..fast. I thought that the S10 might be sold when the Tracer GT arrived in my garage last fall…….but, the S10 still has a home as it is a better, long travel bike by far.
JMHO….

My Tenere 700 is a greatly improved KLR650..
 

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. . . .but, the S10 still has a home as it is a better, long travel bike by far.
JMHO….

My Tenere 700 is a greatly improved KLR650..
I think we're saying the same thing. GT (Grand Touring) is a better definition of the Tenere. . . . to me. A true mile muncher. She'll tour wherever you want to go; great roads, or barely there roads. . . . all day long. TBDBITW, as the definition of the T-12, could be true. . . . if you have the proper skills.

And, yes, the T-7 and the KLR have more in common than the T-7, and the T-12.
 
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Does anyone else feel like, with the cases off, this thing is a lot like a 1200cc MT-09? That burly 1200cc twin still has a crossplane crankshaft and can move like a naked sport bike too. Upright riding position, great handling. The MT-09 has a similar riding posture to the Super Tenere. Just had this thought for a long time now and wondered if I was alone or not.
"I" think that if the current T-12 can't pass Euro specs, she'll come back as a Tracer 10GT. I've also been saying for awhile now, that she's a lot more sporty than you think.
I ride the MT-09 all the time and the Super Tenere is nothing like it. The riding position is not even close. The foot pegs alone on the MT-09 are 4" farther back than the Super Tenere. The Super Tenere is all day comfortable and I am squirming in 45 minutes on the MT-09.

I am not sure what bikes you are comparing the Super Tenere to but from my experience it is a lot less sporty than virtually everything else available. Don't get me wrong, it is a great bike doing what it is designed for but "sporty" is not an adjective I would ever use to describe it. In quick transitions I have described its steering as lethargic rather than sporty.


The bikes I have ridden in the last few years are as follows:
BMW K1600GT
BMW S1000RR
BMW S1000R
BMW R1200RT
BMW R1200GS
BMW R1250GS
BMW S1000XR 2016
BMW S1000XR 2020
BMW F850GS
Yamaha Super Tenere 2012
Yamaha Super Tenere 2014 ES
Yamaha Super Tenere 2016
Yamaha Super Tenere 2018
Yamaha Super Tenere 2020
Yamaha FJ-09
Yamaha FZ-09
Yamaha Bolt
Yamaha V-Max
Yamaha Niken
Yamaha MT10
Yamaha R6
Yamaha MT-07
Yamaha R3
Yamaha FJR1300
Star Venture
Star Eluder
Yamaha XSR900
Yamaha XSR700
Yamaha Tenere 700
Suzuki GSX750S
Suzuki GSX1000S
Suzuki V-Strom
Kawasaki 1000 Ninja 2018
Kawasaki 1000 Ninja 2020
Kawasaki Concours 1400
Kawasaki Versys 650
Kawasaki Versys 1000
Triumph Explorer 1200
Honda Goldwing 2013
Honda Goldwing 2018
Honda VFR1200X
Honda 500X
Honda NC700X
Honda Africa Twin
Aprilia Tuono 2007
Aprilia Tuono 1100 2016
Aprilia Tuono Factory 2020
Aprilia Caponord
Ducati Multistrada 2015
Ducati Multistrada 2016
KTM 1190S
KTM 1290 Super Adventure
KTM Super Duke 2018
KTM Super Duke 2020
KTM Super Duke GT 2017
KTM Duke 890 R
CanAm Spyder
Suzuki Hayabusa
Suzuki GSXR750
 

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. . . . I am not sure what bikes you are comparing the Super Tenere to but from my experience it is a lot less sporty than virtually everything else available. Don't get me wrong, it is a great bike doing what it is designed for but "sporty" is not an adjective I would ever use to describe it. In quick transitions I have described its steering as lethargic rather than sporty. . . .
Haven't you and I already had this conversation? You and I have different opinions/definitions of "sporty"; it is what it is. If you think that the Tenere's steering is lethargic. . . . you might want to check your tire pressure. There is nothing wrong with the bike's handling for "normal" riding. . . . and it does well at 9/10s riding also.

Once again. . . . if you don't like it. . . . don't ride it. With all of the other bikes you have at your disposal. . . . it shouldn't be an issue.
 

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Haven't you and I already had this conversation? You and I have different opinions/definitions of "sporty"; it is what it is. If you think that the Tenere's steering is lethargic. . . . you might want to check your tire pressure. There is nothing wrong with the bike's handling for "normal" riding. . . . and it does well at 9/10s riding also.

Once again. . . . if you don't like it. . . . don't ride it. With all of the other bikes you have at your disposal. . . . it shouldn't be an issue.
Can you direct me to a single professional review that has described the Super Tenere's handling as sporty or perhaps agile? I don't recall ever seeing one.

I check my tire pressure on all my bikes on a regular basis. I agree, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the bikes handling for normal riding. Quick transitions is NOT normal riding. It IS aggressive riding. When riding at 7/10's and above its short comings become quite apparent but it is not designed for that. For reference the BMW 1250GS that I own shows it short comings at about 8/10's and above.

It depends on what other bikes you have experienced and what your baseline is. That is why I listed the bikes that I have personal experience with and can compare the Tenere to. As a professional motorcyclist that rides a ton of different bikes I stand by my statement that the Super Tenere is not sporty. Feel free to believe what you like.

As I have said numerous times the Super Tenere is a great bike. But, there are a ton of bikes that lean far more to the sporty end of the spectrum. Check Dirt Dad's thread on the KTM Super Adventure to see what sporty really is. No contest.
 

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I have nothing further to say to you. I don't imagine anybody can tell you anything.
 
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