Modes, S and T, my thoughts.

[scott123007]

I use S mode 90% of the time and T mode mostly for slow in-town or traffic riding. Sometimes I use T on particularly tight, slow technical twisty or bumpy roads. Off road I'm almost always in T mode. I've had my ECU reflashed by Jett Tuning using the Flash Tune software.

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T mode should stand for Town, or Trail. S mode for everything else. Once you are going highway speeds 5th and 6th gear (touring) there is virtually no difference between S and T modes.

 

[WJBertrand]

I would add "Traffic" and "Technical" to useful T mode settings. I notice a big difference in throttle response between S & T modes on the highway and much prefer the snappier response of S mode. No difference at constant speed or in the total amount of available power, but I find S mde great for passing etc.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Interesting, I prefer S for every phase of riding especially off pavement. I'm always happiest off pavement with my back wheel going faster than my front wheel (TCS off). It's a personal thing.

I do value T for rain, snow, and any other reason the pavement may turn slippery. Also useful if you find yourself riding in a congested around with lots of pedestrians. Fortunately those cases are rare for me and I'm in S 99% of the time.

 

[Sierra1]

So do you think it has more horsepower in sport mode ?

Not MORE power, just power more FASTER. I agree with HeliMark. Like snail mail (T) VS. Email (S). It all gets there, just at different speeds.

 

[old1959]

T mode for me but if I were doing dirt work, where one needs to lighten the front wheel quickly, I would use S. For me, and just my opinion, the S10 is a relaxing bike to ride so the T mode works well. YMMV.

 

[Sierra1]

If I try to use "T" in town, I will kill it AT LEAST once. Like a total, freakin' rookie. My kids laugh their asses of. So, yeah, "T" is definitely not my go to.

 

[Cdutch]

My T is smooth and S is a blast
Just set the T mode up a little quicker than the stock S and for the T I set up with a very fast throttle that opens 100% at all rpm blocks then had to go back and make a bit milder at the lower rpm

 

[Constrictor]

Cool that i saw this thread! Just collected my 2011 from the dealer this Tuesday.. The day before I took it for a test drive, I asked about the modes and he put it in S before i drowe off, alot of traffic and when i stopped to take some photos i put it in T before I drove back. Did notice any difference. So, my bike have been in T all week and today i thought, why not try the S again without any traffic and queues...
DAMN! Amazing! Didnt know i bought a sportbike! The prevoius owner had it flashed so i guess that adds to the difference. Before i thought the power was just fine, but as I said, omg the difference, especially in the lower gears is amazing! Ride home with an even bigger smile then I went out with!

(Pardon my english, its not my native language ;-)

//Henrik

 

[NewAdvRider]

S mode is hooligan mode for me. I ride a lot faster and more aggressive than when I'm on T.

 

[PavlosXTZ]

Hello guys.....as new owner of my super ten....i use T in highways....and S for close roads but no off road use....also i have TCS in 1

In sport its more nervous ....in touring its more ....calmy i must say.

 

[Pdrhound]

This thread cracks me up. Throttle control is key. I think many of you would be lost on a new ktm dirt bike where idle to full throttle is 1.5" apart. To me the throttle in any mode is wide and sloppy on a S10. A guy should easily be able to go from idle to full without repositioning hand. IMHO. Just to add some space to one end of the spectrum. For me I'd like "Super S" it would be more like my ancient XR600. Still light years from my CRF.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

This thread cracks me up. Throttle control is key. I think many of you would be lost on a new ktm dirt bike where idle to full throttle is 1.5" apart. To me the throttle in any mode is wide and sloppy on a S10. A guy should easily be able to go from idle to full without repositioning hand. IMHO. Just to add some space to one end of the spectrum. For me I'd like "Super S" it would be more like my ancient XR600. Still light years from my CRF.

It’s horses for courses. Of course throttle control is the key, but this thread is not about throttle control, it’s about how and where Super Ten riders use the 2 modes available to them, nothing more, nothing less.

I have raced on short circuit tracks at National level in U.K. before riding Trials bikes in competition and finishing my race “career” at National level in Enduros. Each of these had different throttles and different techniques for throttle control. None had mode selection, so to compare the QA throttle on a KTM dirt bike to a relatively lazy ride that is the Super Ten is like comparing apples and oranges.

You prefer a QA throttle and I respect that, but I prefer a throttle action that compliments the bike I am riding and the conditions that I ride in at that particular time, Everyone has different preferences and their choices should be respected.

 

[Sierra1]

....To me the throttle in any mode is wide and sloppy on a S10....

Whaaaat? You might want to have your throttle looked at. "T", to me, feels "mushy/slow". "S"....instantaneous....LOVE IT; I would guess LESS than the aforementioned 1.5" travel, and definitely NOT "sloppy". Almost everybody complains about the "twitchiness" of the Tenere throttle, and get their bikes flashed. If the throttle was sloppy, they wouldn't be spending the money for the flash. My two cents.

 

[Pdrhound]

yeah way too much turn in any mode. but im used to it being tight and short

 

[Ramseybella]

Just trying to understand. Guys coming from carb bikes tend to have some work to adapt to throttle by wire, especially if they have not had an efi bike in-between, but that doesn't seem to be a factor for you.

I'm trying hard to avoid the impression that guys that like less engine braking are just sloppy riders unwilling to take the time to learn to manage the throttle better. Still trying...

Most of what I use the bike for is going places. Not that I don't do day rides, but it's not why I have the bike. For my riding, I wouldn't notice 90% of what the flash is reported to do. I would notice the loss of engine braking, but as said, I prefer what stock offers over less. To me, it's just another tool in the box that I can use while riding. Not having it means I use other tools instead. (down shifting or braking) I've BTDT on other bikes. It's fine, but I'd rather have more tools than less. I can always down shift or brake on any bike, including the Super Ten.

I would prefer a little Engine breaking after the flash, coming off (well more like thrown off by a Volvo) a Triumph Tiger 1050 that engine breaks like a tractor in first gear.
Saved a lot on break pads but don't miss it that much now after four years of my flash done by Anthony!!
T mode saves on gas? I think it does a little.
What actually saves you gas is taming your right hand to roll and not hammer it back like your riding a two stroke dirt bike.
You don't need to slam the throttle on this bike , in fact i can feel it doesn't like it and waste gas.
I use T mode on trails mainly.

 

[Ramseybella]

yeah way too much turn in any mode. "but im used to it being tight and short"

Little TMI there...
Try adjusting the throttle cable nut at the top till it has no play, they get loose and leaves a dead spot before all the action takes place..
Also may want to buy a CR500 for shits and giggles for that snappy short throttle throw withdrawal.
Tenere 1200 is a heavy bike trying to fill both worlds, give it some slack the throttle is what it is.
Having an extremely quick kick in the throttle on this 600+ pound mule and pulls you out of control?
When it go's down it feels like 900 lbs of dead mule.

 

[Sierra1]

So....my conclusion is....as good as this bike is.....people are ALWAYS going to complain about it. There is another thread on here, that bitches about how twitchy the throttle is, and how they don't like it to the point that they are willing to pay for a flash. And THIS one about how sloppy the throttle is.... Glad I'm easily satisfied, by such a piece of junk.

 

[richarddacat]

Little TMI there...
Try adjusting the throttle cable nut at the top till it has no play, they get loose and leaves a dead spot before all the action takes place...

Cables also stretch, worth doing a TBS as a result.

 

[Xclimation]

Just had a reflash by AVC8130. Had I posted this a couple of days ago before the flash my response would be much different...
Before the flash....I would've posted that I have no problem with the engine braking and I use it for my advantage and have no problems with throttle control and feathering the clutch/friction zone. And by reading about others' mileage they're getting from their tires...I squeezing my clutch more and use less engine to slow me down more than most. (Many don't know that a lot of engine braking wears down tires quicker than most things.) The Tenere is my first Fuel injected bike and ALL my carbed bikes before had the same throttle and engine braking as before the flash. There's a lot of factors to be considered like one's riding experience, what bikes one has ridden before, geography of where one lives. Here in Texas ....not as many hills or twisty roads as the rest of y'all...but we have higher speed limits. I'm talking on average for Texas (before fellow Texans from more hilly and twisty parts chime in.) When I ride other parts of the country...many more elevation changes and twistys. Also, how much traffic one rides in will color one's opinions. I find that some don't like to feather the clutch because they had bikes that didn't have a wet clutch and believe that doing this wears out the clutch. Some do a majority of their braking using the rear brake like at one time I was programmed to do....hopefully my point that we all have different experiences.

I ride is mostly S mode. If wet or long highway drives T mode. Always stay in TCS 1. I'm in a lot of traffic often and like to have the power and acceleration on the ready. Sometimes I need to get away from potential danger in a hurry. And for some reason other drivers are not friendly to we motorcyclists and will do everything in their power to not let me get around them. And when I get around them I like to give a wide berth while doing so and this sometimes requires some quicker acceleration.

Now .....after the flash......I've only used S mode so far. I feel more one-with-the-bike. Goofy cliche' sounding I know.....But I LOVE it! Like I said earlier; I used engine braking to my advantage. After the flash much less engine braking and using the clutch I thought was just second nature. Now hard to explain, but I'm more relaxed and able to focus more. Not as much reacting to engine braking by squeezing my inner thighs to the tank or bracing for sudden deceleration. The bike feels much more natural. Goofy sounding again....the bike seems happier? When slowing before, I'd start to squeeze the clutch while letting off the throttle with regards to the situation and readying my hand for the brake. At the same time positioning myself for a possible rapid deceleration by squeezing on the tank slightly and just positioning myself. Have to do this in traffic. And many times if your not going 70mph + in traffic you might get run over and at any time someone will panic brake in front of you. With the reflash the bike slows at a more natural pace and the RPMs match the speed/gear more natural and I'm not squeezing the clutch and with the RPMs matching better what is going on...if I need to accelerate the bike is ready if I need to slow suddenly...squeeze clutch while downshifting brake... Another interesting thing is on curves I'm better now focusing on counter-steering making curves more fun.

Sierra! I can't wait to see you next and have you ride my bike with the flash! I'm in total agreement with you on riding techniques. But I do want to hear your opinion after riding my bike with the flash. I don't want to reveal Sierra's business...but he more than likely has more experience, training and riding time than 99.9% of most riders.

 

[jbrown]

Cables also stretch, worth doing a TBS as a result.

Stretching cables don't contribute to an out of sync condition on the S10. The throttle bores share a common shaft. The throttle body sync just adjusts an air bypass, not the actual throttle plate relationship.