LED tail light?

[ErnsTT]

Yup, she still pays with her credibility ;-0


here a vid, that beying rear ended has nothing to do with visibility.
biker gets rear ended and lands on feet [helmet cam]


Just keep thinking your riding naked in a wolrd of blind cager to be sure ol
More tips to stay alive and have fun despite the terrortexters:


http://www.lazymotorbike.eu/tips/looking/

 

[colorider]

Yup, she still pays with her credibility ;-0


here a vid, that beying rear ended has nothing to do with visibility.
biker gets rear ended and lands on feet [helmet cam]


Just keep thinking your riding naked in a wolrd of blind cager to be sure ol
More tips to stay alive and have fun despite the terrortexters:


http://www.lazymotorbike.eu/tips/looking/

Based on what? How can you determine if the accident would not have been avoided had the rider been MORE visible?????

Yes, I always ride as if I am invisible to the cagers, but I also believe that some of the aftermarket (tail) lights can help.

 

[switchback]

Yes, I always ride as if I am invisible to the cagers, but I also believe that some of the aftermarket (tail) lights can help.

Great post. I ride in fluorescent yellow and will use anything to add to visibility. I like to think I ride aggressively defensive because I know any one of the cagers could kill me at any time. We have to look after ourselves with bright clothing, flashing lights and anything else that will get their attention away from their text messages, make up, razors, news paper, Big Mac... Most importantly be aware of everyone around you.

 

[justbob]

I've been hit hard from behind, I am probably one of the few in this video that lived.
Part of my crash was caught on this video between 5:42 and 5:59 minute mark.
Yes I was wearing a helmet when hit, the modular Symax chinbar released and was pulled off my head during the incident.
According to witnesses I was thrown at least 15 feet into the air on impact and landed on the pavement and was nearly runover by the other interstate traffic.

Requiem for a Biker

 

[Mellow]

Wow Bob!.. I think your username should be JustVeryLuckyBob, glad you came out of that one and could post about it.

 

[Venture]

Joe,
Isn't it a little difficult to pull that string when out riding?????

I was chuckling myself at the string activation. Engineering at it's finest, truly.

 

[Mellow]

I was chuckling myself at the string activation. Simple Engineering at it's finest, truly.

I fixed that for ya...

 

[ptfjjj]

Regarding the original intent of this thread, I noticed on page 9 - 4 of the service manual, things to check when tail/brake light not working, check the LED. In other words, yes, it appears that the stock tail light is LED.

 

[Mellow]

Regarding the original intent of this thread, I noticed on page 9 - 4 of the service manual, things to check when tail/brake light not working, check the LED. In other words, yes, it appears that the stock tail light is LED.

That being the case, this would be one of the 1st things I'd add:
http://www.motorcyclelarry.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_3&products_id=319

It will flash your brake light and then end on a steady ON.

You can use it on existing incandescent lights as well using the slower flash rate vs the strobe flash but the effect is very nice.

 

[ErnsTT]

That being the case, this would be one of the 1st things I'd add:
http://www.motorcyclelarry.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_3&products_id=319

From the site:

Rear end collisions are the # 1 common cause of accidents.

Thats a blatant Lie, the common cause of motorcycle accidents is turning cagers. Mostly the Left turning oncoming cager...
There's an international study: www.maids.com Head on collisions are the most frequent cause of colissions, and also *deaths*
Though they are not neccesarily deadlly:

Don't fool yourself with believing such marketing speak will save your skin with a irritating flipflop (costs 50¢ at radio shack) it won't.
This boy just didn't look out of his front window, overseing a Bright Yellow bike in full daylight !
( don't worry she rides again,allthough it was quite some workout...)

 

[Mellow]

Dude, who cares...

A flashing tail light is a good idea, I could care less about the marketing or studies, it's just a good idea to me so I have one and will put one on this bike.

 

[ErnsTT]

Based on what? How can you determine if the accident would not have been avoided had the rider been MORE visible? ??? ?

I'm in the (non-profit) safety business i've read half a meter of safety related studies, and there are sadly enough loads of hi-viz wearing people in those statistics :-(((


If Hi-Viz would really help, they would not end on a stretcher, it can help, sure, but only in detrimental weather conditions, fog heavy rain etc. but under normal circumstances it just does not help, sadly enough.


I dont like to post crushed bikers, so if you really want to know search yourself, i wont withold anyone from wearing Hi-Viz, but be aware it only helps when weater is really bad. i'm really sorry to shatter the dream of buy-able safety.

 

[Venture]

I'm in the (non-profit) safety business i've read half a meter of safety related studies, and there are sadly enough loads of hi-viz wearing people in those statistics :-(((

Do those studies specifically address hi-viz wearing motorcyclists? Or are you trying to correlate data for say, hi-viz wearing road workers to hi-viz wearing motorcyclists?

 

[Mellow]

I guess if high viz doesn't work then night road workers should just wear black... LOL

 

[ptfjjj]

I'm in the (non-profit) safety business i've read half a meter of safety related studies, and there are sadly enough loads of hi-viz wearing people in those statistics :-(((


If Hi-Viz would really help, they would not end on a stretcher, it can help, sure, but only in detrimental weather conditions, fog heavy rain etc. but under normal circumstances it just does not help, sadly enough.

While there may be evidence to show that people wearing hi-viz are sometimes victims, there is also stacks and stacks of evidence that shows that hi-viz prevents many, many more. Having served in the U.S. Navy and participated in the fast paced, extremely dangerous environment on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, I have seen too many examples to count where being seen means surviving and not being seen means death. Of course, if someone is in the path of a car that cannot stop or turn, it doesn't matter if you are seen or not, but it the person controlling the car can see you in time and is able to turn, then being seen could then be what saves you. It is your choice to not wear hi-viz clothing, or to not improve the visibilty of your bike, and, of course, being visible does not produce some magic force field, but you have to admit, if the cager does not see you because you are unlit and in dark clothing, then the cager does not know to attempt to avoid you until they feel the thump of your head under the differential.

 

[colorider]

I'm in the (non-profit) safety business i've read half a meter of safety related studies, and there are sadly enough loads of hi-viz wearing people in those statistics :-(((


If Hi-Viz would really help, they would not end on a stretcher, it can help, sure, but only in detrimental weather conditions, fog heavy rain etc. but under normal circumstances it just does not help, sadly enough.


I dont like to post crushed bikers, so if you really want to know search yourself, i wont withold anyone from wearing Hi-Viz, but be aware it only helps when weater is really bad. i'm really sorry to shatter the dream of buy-able safety.

You still did not answer my question (the one you quoted). Here it is again:
"Based on what? How can you determine if the accident would not have been avoided had the rider been MORE visible?"

I really don't see the sense in debating this anyway. You will most likely NOT be changing the beliefs of anyone here concerning "visibility" and we won't be changing your beliefs. Basically - we need to agree to disagree............

 

[Swagger]

Well this won't be the last time the subject of Hi-Viz kit is debated on a site like this. Just know ... as you all do ... it's dangerous out there whatever you choose to wear or adorn your bikes with. It is my personal view that they just don't see you ... because they're pre-occupied with other trivia. There are too many creature comforts and distractions available to you in a car or truck.

I don't wear Hi-Viz. My commute scoots always have loud pipes ... so if you can't be arsed to concentrate and look for me you'll definitely be hearing and feeling me.

I also want some kind of strobing brake lights ...

 

[ErnsTT]

You still did not answer my question (the one you quoted). Here it is again:
"Based on what? How can you determine if the accident would not have been avoided had the rider been MORE visible?

I'll quote myself then, because you obviously missed my post...

If Hi-Viz would really help, they would not end on a stretcher,

Just look at the Policebikers getting run over, how hgh-viz cn you get, here in the netherlands, a cop parked his bike so traffic would not hit another axident, and the oncoming car ran him over even though his bike had blue-light flashing...


So perhaps my "end up on a stretcher" was not graphic enough, my knowledge comes from accident data, in Europe there is growing awarenes, the only way to do something about accidents te first thing to do is collect Accident data, to check if accepted beliefs about measures *really* work.


So wear as much bells and whistles as you like, but don't think it helps much, and be aware it is a bit like homeopathic medicine, it works, but only in certain circumstances, and it can't cure texting cagers.


Well its been said enough, its no use to go further, or we should start a new thread about safety measures, okay?


Its about LED taillights, and like so many a thing of brilliance of the S10, it allready has a Led Taillight, its a really fast one too, its the same as on the R6

 

[Mellow]

Hyperlites are also some great add-ons.
http://www.hyperlites.com/3way.html

I have the 3-ways on my ST1300. I like it because they are redundant. If I have a problem with my OEM stop/turn bulbs, these will continue to work - as long as it's not a wiring issue some place before where I tapped into the OEM wires.