sky4
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Part of the appeal of motorcycles is the simplicity. I consider the s10 to be a pretty high tech bike. I also dont think it needs any more tech.
It's time for an update Yamaha.
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My Jeep has hill start assist. Not only is not useful, it's a hindrance. When you're on a slope, with the brake & clutch pedal pushed in. . . . the brakes will stay locked for two seconds. I've learned to only keep the brake pedal pushed until it's time to move. Then I release brakes, manipulate the gas & clutch to take off. My kid's car has a very useful version. His brakes lock until he hits the gas, and it unlocks the brakes immediately. I can't see the value of it on a bike though.
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I found it annoying. Felt like a clutch burner. Having to really ride the clutch to overcome the set brakes.
tallpaul
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Just give me cast wheels. The rest is fine...
richarddacat
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Self canceling turn signals!!!
There is a lot of tech Yamaha can take off the FJR, and put on the Tenere, for not a lot of development cost. Proven tech with several years in service.
I have owned several Honda ST1300's, loved them, and if Honda ever came back out with them, same basic bike, but updated, there would be one in my garage.
I have owned several Honda ST1300's, loved them, and if Honda ever came back out with them, same basic bike, but updated, there would be one in my garage.
I see that many S10 owners would like at least 20 or 30 kg less weight .... it would be good to clarify if 20 or 30 kg less in "net weight - dry weight" or "wet weight - ready to go" .. ......
In other words, it seems to me that we want it to weigh less than other “enduro” ... like Multistrada Enduro ... or 1290 SAR
In other words, it seems to me that we want it to weigh less than other “enduro” ... like Multistrada Enduro ... or 1290 SAR
Boris
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Kerb Weight is what I personally am referring to. Whilst I understand and accept that there’s a reasonable expectation of weight in this genre of bike, I think around 230-235kgs is doable.
I can pick out and compare two bikes in the same sector that are lighter, but it’s irrelevant to me. I don’t get any gain from another bikes positives or negatives. When I’m dragging my bike up from an awkward parking space, or moving it around my garage, it’s doesn’t help me knowing that an SAR is only a bit lighter or that a Crosstourer is heavier.
I can pick out and compare two bikes in the same sector that are lighter, but it’s irrelevant to me. I don’t get any gain from another bikes positives or negatives. When I’m dragging my bike up from an awkward parking space, or moving it around my garage, it’s doesn’t help me knowing that an SAR is only a bit lighter or that a Crosstourer is heavier.
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We go through this every time this topic comes up. Some of you have some great ideas. Some of you are very, very confused.
For you 2018+ Goldwing owners... Do not every say or type that again. It's a lie. You don't own a Goldwing. Read your owner's manual. You own a ST1800 and it will never be a GL. For those ST1300 fans, the ST1800 IS the new ST1300!
We can look to the FJR to see what you can expect for future upgrades to the T12. An engine change is completely off base. Not that they might follow Sierra's concept of a T3, T9, etc, but those could be anything from a single to a triple to who knows what.
Vehicles are going all LED, like it or not. So that's not out of the realm of possibility. The cornering lights would also be pretty easy.
More power you say? F you wanker, go buy something else. You're not using the power you have now 90% of the time, what the heck would you do with more?
People whined for years on the FJR forums for a 6-speed. Finally Yamaha gave it to them... Except it wasn't what most people wanted, because they couldn't correctly identify what they wanted. The FJR was using less than half it's rpm band at interstate speed cruising. There was ZERO need for a 6th gear. What 99.8% of the people that asked for 6th gear wanted was a lower rpm at interstate cruising speeds. They didn't need it. The huge torque of the FJR's inline four motor could handle it, but no one needed it. Yamaha did that with a taller ratio final drive.
Be careful what you ask for and try to understand and elaborate exactly why you want a feature and what you hope to get from it.
Think about how you would shed weight on the Super Tenere. An aluminum frame? Maybe, but it would be more susceptible to crash damage on an adventure bike intended to go off pavement.
Every factory option that is already, or could easily be, duplicated by the aftermarket is going to just drive the price up and provide no real benefit to buyers.
I suspect we might eventually see an all LED bike with new body work to make it visually stand out from the current T12. The LED headlight and corner lights will pretty much dictate that anyway. Maybe switchable ABS or just switchable rear ABS. That's cheap and easy. They tried lighter already and it was a bust. Owners immediately made the bikes heavier again. (Maybe some of you forgot the EU models that came w/o center stands) I wouldn't mind seeing ADV bikes and Touring bike start coming with an Aux fuse block already in place to allow customers to easily add electrical items.
The list of crap I added to my Super Tens is long. But many were not things every rider needed or wanted. Bar risers, crash bars, skid plate, extra lights, highway pegs, heated gear port and SAE port for charging, bigger windscreen, GPS, fuel cell and eventually an expanded main tank, etc. A bunch of other items were things available already like heated grips and LED lights.
There is room for people to individualize the bike. There should be. If you load it up like a garbage barge you end up with a GSA or a GTL1600 that comes stock with every single thing you can think of. Then you pay $30k for it and maybe toss some bar risers and a headlight guard on it or a bigger windscreen, but there isn't much left. It looks like every other one like it until you resort to spending money on bling items so you can find it in the parking lot full of bikes that look just like it.
The market does not need a $20k plus Super Tenere, IMHO.
For you 2018+ Goldwing owners... Do not every say or type that again. It's a lie. You don't own a Goldwing. Read your owner's manual. You own a ST1800 and it will never be a GL. For those ST1300 fans, the ST1800 IS the new ST1300!
We can look to the FJR to see what you can expect for future upgrades to the T12. An engine change is completely off base. Not that they might follow Sierra's concept of a T3, T9, etc, but those could be anything from a single to a triple to who knows what.
Vehicles are going all LED, like it or not. So that's not out of the realm of possibility. The cornering lights would also be pretty easy.
More power you say? F you wanker, go buy something else. You're not using the power you have now 90% of the time, what the heck would you do with more?
People whined for years on the FJR forums for a 6-speed. Finally Yamaha gave it to them... Except it wasn't what most people wanted, because they couldn't correctly identify what they wanted. The FJR was using less than half it's rpm band at interstate speed cruising. There was ZERO need for a 6th gear. What 99.8% of the people that asked for 6th gear wanted was a lower rpm at interstate cruising speeds. They didn't need it. The huge torque of the FJR's inline four motor could handle it, but no one needed it. Yamaha did that with a taller ratio final drive.
Be careful what you ask for and try to understand and elaborate exactly why you want a feature and what you hope to get from it.
Think about how you would shed weight on the Super Tenere. An aluminum frame? Maybe, but it would be more susceptible to crash damage on an adventure bike intended to go off pavement.
Every factory option that is already, or could easily be, duplicated by the aftermarket is going to just drive the price up and provide no real benefit to buyers.
I suspect we might eventually see an all LED bike with new body work to make it visually stand out from the current T12. The LED headlight and corner lights will pretty much dictate that anyway. Maybe switchable ABS or just switchable rear ABS. That's cheap and easy. They tried lighter already and it was a bust. Owners immediately made the bikes heavier again. (Maybe some of you forgot the EU models that came w/o center stands) I wouldn't mind seeing ADV bikes and Touring bike start coming with an Aux fuse block already in place to allow customers to easily add electrical items.
The list of crap I added to my Super Tens is long. But many were not things every rider needed or wanted. Bar risers, crash bars, skid plate, extra lights, highway pegs, heated gear port and SAE port for charging, bigger windscreen, GPS, fuel cell and eventually an expanded main tank, etc. A bunch of other items were things available already like heated grips and LED lights.
There is room for people to individualize the bike. There should be. If you load it up like a garbage barge you end up with a GSA or a GTL1600 that comes stock with every single thing you can think of. Then you pay $30k for it and maybe toss some bar risers and a headlight guard on it or a bigger windscreen, but there isn't much left. It looks like every other one like it until you resort to spending money on bling items so you can find it in the parking lot full of bikes that look just like it.
The market does not need a $20k plus Super Tenere, IMHO.
gunslinger_006
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ApplauseWe go through this every time this topic comes up. Some of you have some great ideas. Some of you are very, very confused.
For you 2018+ Goldwing owners... Do not every say or type that again. It's a lie. You don't own a Goldwing. Read your owner's manual. You own a ST1800 and it will never be a GL. For those ST1300 fans, the ST1800 IS the new ST1300!
We can look to the FJR to see what you can expect for future upgrades to the T12. An engine change is completely off base. Not that they might follow Sierra's concept of a T3, T9, etc, but those could be anything from a single to a triple to who knows what.
Vehicles are going all LED, like it or not. So that's not out of the realm of possibility. The cornering lights would also be pretty easy.
More power you say? F you wanker, go buy something else. You're not using the power you have now 90% of the time, what the heck would you do with more?
People whined for years on the FJR forums for a 6-speed. Finally Yamaha gave it to them... Except it wasn't what most people wanted, because they couldn't correctly identify what they wanted. The FJR was using less than half it's rpm band at interstate speed cruising. There was ZERO need for a 6th gear. What 99.8% of the people that asked for 6th gear wanted was a lower rpm at interstate cruising speeds. They didn't need it. The huge torque of the FJR's inline four motor could handle it, but no one needed it. Yamaha did that with a taller ratio final drive.
Be careful what you ask for and try to understand and elaborate exactly why you want a feature and what you hope to get from it.
Think about how you would shed weight on the Super Tenere. An aluminum frame? Maybe, but it would be more susceptible to crash damage on an adventure bike intended to go off pavement.
Every factory option that is already, or could easily be, duplicated by the aftermarket is going to just drive the price up and provide no real benefit to buyers.
I suspect we might eventually see an all LED bike with new body work to make it visually stand out from the current T12. The LED headlight and corner lights will pretty much dictate that anyway. Maybe switchable ABS or just switchable rear ABS. That's cheap and easy. They tried lighter already and it was a bust. Owners immediately made the bikes heavier again. (Maybe some of you forgot the EU models that came w/o center stands) I wouldn't mind seeing ADV bikes and Touring bike start coming with an Aux fuse block already in place to allow customers to easily add electrical items.
The list of crap I added to my Super Tens is long. But many were not things every rider needed or wanted. Bar risers, crash bars, skid plate, extra lights, highway pegs, heated gear port and SAE port for charging, bigger windscreen, GPS, fuel cell and eventually an expanded main tank, etc. A bunch of other items were things available already like heated grips and LED lights.
There is room for people to individualize the bike. There should be. If you load it up like a garbage barge you end up with a GSA or a GTL1600 that comes stock with every single thing you can think of. Then you pay $30k for it and maybe toss some bar risers and a headlight guard on it or a bigger windscreen, but there isn't much left. It looks like every other one like it until you resort to spending money on bling items so you can find it in the parking lot full of bikes that look just like it.
The market does not need a $20k plus Super Tenere, IMHO.
That would explain a lot. 'Cuz, what the Honda website calls a Gold Wing, looks very similar to what the CTX 1300 was. I guess that would make the CTX 700, the Silver Wing of old? But, their website does show a Gold Wing Tour. . . . that looks like "normal" Gold Wing.
I agree, I don't want a $20k Tenere.
Edit: Either you're reading my mind, or more likely. . . . I can't articulate worth a shit.
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gv550
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I have a 2018 Goldwing, it’s not a sport tourer. Too softly sprung, underdamped, wrong ergonomics, too big and way too heavy to be considered anything sport. Many oldwing owners don’t like the changes from the previous road barge but that’s life, if Yamaha makes any changes to the T12 there will be similar discussions but ultimately it will be a better bike.
My GL1800 is a Goldwing because, well, it says Goldwing on it.
My GL1800 is a Goldwing because, well, it says Goldwing on it.
Boris
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Brilliant
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These pricks suggesting not using all the power already available, even if it’s only being used for 10% of the time. So what, that final 10% you do want to use, it’s there when you want or need it. A bit more power more often than not, makes more usable power available, easier. Also, these pricks assume how others ride, realistically, they have no idea how most others ride, nor where they ride.
Lots of riders have lots of experience, gained over many many years, across many types of motorcycling and have different needs and expectations from motorcycling, note different, not usually right or wrong. These people all have something to add when discussing biking, but are rarely brash and arrogant with views and opinions, but more likely open to all being different.
Biking is like most other things we do in life, we don’t need to do it to the max, but we can occasionally. You know all those functions available on our upgraded laptops and phones that we all rarely use..........wankers! That new car we all have with 5 seats, but only use 2 seats for 70% of the time.........wankers!
Lots of riders have lots of experience, gained over many many years, across many types of motorcycling and have different needs and expectations from motorcycling, note different, not usually right or wrong. These people all have something to add when discussing biking, but are rarely brash and arrogant with views and opinions, but more likely open to all being different.
Biking is like most other things we do in life, we don’t need to do it to the max, but we can occasionally. You know all those functions available on our upgraded laptops and phones that we all rarely use..........wankers! That new car we all have with 5 seats, but only use 2 seats for 70% of the time.........wankers!
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Hmmmm. . . . plenty of people describing the Tenere in the same way. I rode one of the "old style" 'Wings. I was amazed at well it handled. . . . especially considering the size/weight of it. I think you'll agree that the "new" 'Wing has moved in the "sport tour" direction. There used to be one Gold Wing, now there's two. And, one of them looks like a CTX, and the CTX has to be considered a sport tour. The lines are starting to blur. I heard somewhere that Honda believes that "adventure" bikes are the future.
I don't understand the nomenclature for the 1800cc Honda motorcycle. The Honda website shows it as a Gold Wing (regular & tour). Mr. gv550's says it on the console. But, if you Google ST1800. . . . it shows a Gold Wing. Gold Wing forums refer to it as an ST. Guess it doesn't matter, we don't buy bikes for the name. (hopefully)
gv550
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I googled ST1800, it’s a Hilti screwdriver.
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You can buy new ST1300 LE models today. My dealer just got 3 of them in. Not really updated, but new and a bit different.
As for the Super Tenere, I bought one of the first edition models in July, 2011 and loved it. In July 2014 I bought a Gen 2 with ES as there were enough of what I considered upgrades that I made the switch. Since then I have often wondered what it would take in upgrades for me to sell my 14ES for a new model and I really can't think of anything that this bike doesn't do that would entice me to get a newer one.
2018 Goldwing, 2018 Goldwing, 2018 GoldwingWe go through this every time this topic comes up. Some of you have some great ideas. Some of you are very, very confused.
For you 2018+ Goldwing owners... Do not every say or type that again. It's a lie. You don't own a Goldwing. Read your owner's manual. You own a ST1800 and it will never be a GL. For those ST1300 fans, the ST1800 IS the new ST1300!
We can look to the FJR to see what you can expect for future upgrades to the T12. An engine change is completely off base. Not that they might follow Sierra's concept of a T3, T9, etc, but those could be anything from a single to a triple to who knows what.
Vehicles are going all LED, like it or not. So that's not out of the realm of possibility. The cornering lights would also be pretty easy.
More power you say? F you wanker, go buy something else. You're not using the power you have now 90% of the time, what the heck would you do with more?
People whined for years on the FJR forums for a 6-speed. Finally Yamaha gave it to them... Except it wasn't what most people wanted, because they couldn't correctly identify what they wanted. The FJR was using less than half it's rpm band at interstate speed cruising. There was ZERO need for a 6th gear. What 99.8% of the people that asked for 6th gear wanted was a lower rpm at interstate cruising speeds. They didn't need it. The huge torque of the FJR's inline four motor could handle it, but no one needed it. Yamaha did that with a taller ratio final drive.
Be careful what you ask for and try to understand and elaborate exactly why you want a feature and what you hope to get from it.
Think about how you would shed weight on the Super Tenere. An aluminum frame? Maybe, but it would be more susceptible to crash damage on an adventure bike intended to go off pavement.
Every factory option that is already, or could easily be, duplicated by the aftermarket is going to just drive the price up and provide no real benefit to buyers.
I suspect we might eventually see an all LED bike with new body work to make it visually stand out from the current T12. The LED headlight and corner lights will pretty much dictate that anyway. Maybe switchable ABS or just switchable rear ABS. That's cheap and easy. They tried lighter already and it was a bust. Owners immediately made the bikes heavier again. (Maybe some of you forgot the EU models that came w/o center stands) I wouldn't mind seeing ADV bikes and Touring bike start coming with an Aux fuse block already in place to allow customers to easily add electrical items.
The list of crap I added to my Super Tens is long. But many were not things every rider needed or wanted. Bar risers, crash bars, skid plate, extra lights, highway pegs, heated gear port and SAE port for charging, bigger windscreen, GPS, fuel cell and eventually an expanded main tank, etc. A bunch of other items were things available already like heated grips and LED lights.
There is room for people to individualize the bike. There should be. If you load it up like a garbage barge you end up with a GSA or a GTL1600 that comes stock with every single thing you can think of. Then you pay $30k for it and maybe toss some bar risers and a headlight guard on it or a bigger windscreen, but there isn't much left. It looks like every other one like it until you resort to spending money on bling items so you can find it in the parking lot full of bikes that look just like it.
The market does not need a $20k plus Super Tenere, IMHO.
I actually bought my 2018 Goldwing because they changed it from that ugly bus of a bike with a zillion buttons to more of a ST1800.
Honda can call it what they want and I did read my owners manual. The first Goldwing was simply a street bike so I guess the pre 2018 bikes should not be called a Goldwing either.
"F you Wanker" ? Really ?
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