It's time for an update Yamaha.

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As far as I know, yes. It took Yamaha four years to put the new CCT into service on the 2014, . . . . , I'd probably still wait a year til I bought one. Just a personal philosophy.
There's no brand that's 100% perfect. I understand, and agree with the theory of your philosophy. But, if there is an issue, like the CCT, it will likely take more than one year to fix.
 

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There's no brand that's 100% perfect. I understand, and agree with the theory of your philosophy. But, if there is an issue, like the CCT, it will likely take more than one year to fix.
I never claimed that, nor would I ever expect any bike to be 100% perfect. There are, however, certain flaws or design features on a bike I'd be willing to live with, and certain flaws or design features that would be a deal breaker As for when a potential problem would show up on a new model, I haven't done any sort of research into the timelines of the various mechanical issues with the many various bikes on the market to make any sort of educated guess on when a particular issue reared it head, so I wouldn't hazard a guess as to how many issues presented themselves in the first year of operation. A 120 day sea trial on a new class of warship isn't designed to ferret out every single problem that the class might have; it IS designed to uncover any immediate glaring issues that would affect operational capability. Waiting for a year after a new model is introduced serves much the same function to me; no, it may not identify every single thing that can go wrong with a bike, but it will easily be enough time to identify things like fueling issues, suspension problems, electronic phantoms, handling issues, etc, that would allow me to make a more informed decision about whether or not I wanted to buy the bike, or whether I was willing to deal with those problems if I did buy it.
 

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Reading the posts on the update subject is interesting to say the least. I get the impression that many people want to get rid of the things that make motorcycling what it always has been.

Adding TFT screens, speed shifters, cornering assist, hill assist and electronic gizmos all equal distractions. We are very near the point that our “wish list” will bring about the sad fact that any and all maintenance will have to be done at the dealership with proprietary diagnostic machines and specialized tools.

Having a computer on board is almost a necessity and needed for the fueling systems to meet pollution guidelines. Beyond that we are getting further and further away from the true spirit of motorcycling. Is that really what we want?
 

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Reading the posts on the update subject is interesting to say the least. I get the impression that many people want to get rid of the things that make motorcycling what it always has been.

Adding TFT screens, speed shifters, cornering assist, hill assist and electronic gizmos all equal distractions. We are very near the point that our “wish list” will bring about the sad fact that any and all maintenance will have to be done at the dealership with proprietary diagnostic machines and specialized tools.

Having a computer on board is almost a necessity and needed for the fueling systems to meet pollution guidelines. Beyond that we are getting further and further away from the true spirit of motorcycling. Is that really what we want?
Very well said!
 

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I know. It’s terrible isn’t it. I feel similar when those naughty road testers don’t praise it like they do some of the other big boys bikes, in fact, I get all hurty and upset.
I read a review where one of the downsides was literally "not a GS"

kinda why i bought it...
 

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Reading the posts on the update subject is interesting to say the least. I get the impression that many people want to get rid of the things that make motorcycling what it always has been.

Adding TFT screens, speed shifters, cornering assist, hill assist and electronic gizmos all equal distractions. We are very near the point that our “wish list” will bring about the sad fact that any and all maintenance will have to be done at the dealership with proprietary diagnostic machines and specialized tools.

Having a computer on board is almost a necessity and needed for the fueling systems to meet pollution guidelines. Beyond that we are getting further and further away from the true spirit of motorcycling. Is that really what we want?
In the main I agree with what you are saying. I personally am not too fussed about the need for a lot of the current gadgetry and have no real desire for most of it, however who gets to call what the true spirit of motorcycling is and exactly what it has always been. Without the evolution of technology and engineering, we’d still be using drum brakes and twin shocks. Not all riders are confident and highly skilled and therefore welcome the additional gadget support, surely we can all appreciate each other’s expectations from motorcycling, rather than just seeing our own way as the right way (I’m not implying this is what You are saying).

I’m pushing 60 years old, I’ve enjoyed my era of the good old days of motorcycling, but am happy to embrace the future days of it to. Remember, a lot of this stuff can just be left unticked on the options list if unwanted.
 

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I don't know why I'm surprised. The car/truck industry has followed the same path; everybody wants more. Not a criticism, just a fact. What used to be "options" are now, for the most part, "standard equipment". I don't think a manual trans is even available on a half ton truck anymore. Manufacturers won't offer a car without a/c in the south. Since nothing is free, even if it's listed as "standard", you're going to pay for it. Which is why that same half ton truck can cost well north of $50k U.S. Boris is right about just not ticking the boxes, but I think the days have having boxes to tick are coming to an end; one assembly line for one product.
 

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I don't know why I'm surprised. The car/truck industry has followed the same path; everybody wants more. Not a criticism, just a fact. What used to be "options" are now, for the most part, "standard equipment". I don't think a manual trans is even available on a half ton truck anymore. Manufacturers won't offer a car without a/c in the south. Since nothing is free, even if it's listed as "standard", you're going to pay for it. Which is why that same half ton truck can cost well north of $50k U.S. Boris is right about just not ticking the boxes, but I think the days have having boxes to tick are coming to an end; one assembly line for one product.
Well even a new truck north of 75k it still breaks after 3 days. No I'm not joking and customer comes back because the mechanic tries to fix it and doesnt know what hes doing. He comes back a week later with 75k truck and he is losing 3k per day when that truck is down.
 

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Nope, your math is wrong. It's not a $75k truck anymore. It's only worth $50k as soon as you drove it off of the lot. For some reason, Jeep seems to be immune to the instant depreciation.
 

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If Yamaha introduces a Gen3, i hope they look at the North American market more fairly. It seems to me that Yamaha offer's the nicer or maybe the better word is more desirable models to the European/Auzie market. Like the World Crosser model we could not get with the extra cool stuff...LOL...like WTF.
 

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Nope, your math is wrong. It's not a $75k truck anymore. It's only worth $50k as soon as you drove it off of the lot. For some reason, Jeep seems to be immune to the instant depreciation.
Agreed but in terms of what the customer paid it's still 75k. Not actual valve and jeeps are a small market that derives its perceived value from marketing and of course people telling the same story that it's the best offroad vehicle when that thing will never see dirt and at best a dirt that a family car can do.
 
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Reading the posts on the update subject is interesting to say the least. I get the impression that many people want to get rid of the things that make motorcycling what it always has been.

Adding TFT screens, speed shifters, cornering assist, hill assist and electronic gizmos all equal distractions. We are very near the point that our “wish list” will bring about the sad fact that any and all maintenance will have to be done at the dealership with proprietary diagnostic machines and specialized tools.

Having a computer on board is almost a necessity and needed for the fueling systems to meet pollution guidelines. Beyond that we are getting further and further away from the true spirit of motorcycling. Is that really what we want?
Yep welcome to 2020 where everything is the same & corporations decide what we want based on what the next guy is selling no risk, no balls business.
I do really like some of the tech. it makes riding safe, fun & a lot less painless than was in 1974 & there is obviously a market for what is called a low tech bike like the ST. Let BMW, KTM, Ducati put out jacked up ADV bikes that have it all & the must have latest tech for those that want it but why in the world does anybody want a Yamaha ST to mimic a KTM, Ducati, or a BMW ?? Just go buy one of them. Just look at the T7 sales sold out, KTM"s 790's still on dealers floor heavily discounted in the KTM spirit. I bought my 2014 ES ST because it was different & now I'm in the market for something different than the ST so I've decided on a Triumph Rally 900 because it's a well built bike like the Yamaha with low HP you know "different" & IMO is built in the "spirit" of motorcycling.
 
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Ford "updated" the powerstroke diesel, puts out like 350hp or whatever, where my 1997 is 225hp. Great, needs the whole body taken off to do major engine work, $25,000 for blown engines that are common at 50,000 miles, $3,000 to replace the radiator. I think I can live with my old truck without these updates, and see the same thing happening in motorcycles since most love these updates. I'd rather drive a 1964 Ford truck than a new one. Some updates are ok, but the stuff guys complain about! Color display, phone connectivity crap ect.
 

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I know. It’s terrible isn’t it. I feel similar when those naughty road testers don’t praise it like they do some of the other big boys bikes, in fact, I get all hurty and upset.
I've never been one of the "cool kids". So, I've never had to worry what they think. :)
 

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. . . . Not actual valve and jeeps are a small market that derives its perceived value from marketing and of course people telling the same story that it's the best offroad vehicle. . . .
That's as good a reason as any. It's not so much a small market anymore, they're everywhere around here. I paid $28k for my '13 JKU. Until Jeep came out with the JL(U), my six year old & 45k mileage Jeep was still valued at $27k by KBB.

You're also right about the vast majority never seeing anything more than a gravel road. The "bro-Jeeps" are ridiculous. 35" tires on a 4" lift. . . . all the fenders cut off. . . . scowl face grill that blocks part of the headlight. . . . and massive bumpers front & back. Or the ones that have only the front doors off. . . . because the owners can't figure how to get the hard top, and back doors off. :D

No sense paying for electric windows/locks. . . . when the doors aren't even going to be attached. Unless it's raining, this is how mine is kept. And, unless I have to carry something big, it stay parked right there. . . . 'cuz I'm riding my outdated Tenere.

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That's as good a reason as any. It's not so much a small market anymore, they're everywhere around here. I paid $28k for my '13 JKU. Until Jeep came out with the JL(U), my six year old & 45k mileage Jeep was still valued at $27k by KBB.

You're also right about the vast majority never seeing anything more than a gravel road. The "bro-Jeeps" are ridiculous. 35" tires on a 4" lift. . . . all the fenders cut off. . . . scowl face grill that blocks part of the headlight. . . . and massive bumpers front & back. Or the ones that have only the front doors off. . . . because the owners can't figure how to get the hard top, and back doors off. :D

No sense paying for electric windows/locks. . . . when the doors aren't even going to be attached. Unless it's raining, this is how mine is kept. And, unless I have to carry something big, it stay parked right there. . . . 'cuz I'm riding my outdated Tenere.

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I like jeeps but for what they cost and for what I would use them for it makes zero sense. However if you got it then spend it. I've seen jeeps with 15k of parts with not a scratch on the "heavy duty offroad bumper" however it points out the flaws in human thinking/behavior and that is, it can be influenced no matter the cost monetarily or time wise. I once had a conversation with a woman who's husband made 130k a year as a engineer in ??? And drove a new range rover. Then she told me they where struggling to make there rent on there condo. To which I replied but your husband makes a 130k and she replied its expensive to be us‍ :(.
 
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