I may be crazy but I traded my Tenere for a new BMW R1200RT

[iridemotorbikes]

Congrats on the new ride. I'm moving in the other direction. I'm trying to sell my 2012 RT so I can buy a Super Tenere.
Mike

Did you sell your RT and are you still looking for a Ténéré???

 

[greenwall]

Interesting timing for me. Went in to have my headlight harness replaced on my 2012 Tenere and came home on a FJR totally unplanned. I have been doing lots of reading on both the FJR and RT but it was the $14000 vs $5200 trade imbalance that swayed me. That and the short service intervals which are a bit mind boggling for me in this day and age. The trade just confirmed what I already knew. That I am more of sport tourer kind of rider than an ADV. The power and smoothness of the FJR engine is intoxicating. I had a bit of buyers remorse for the first day, but I am getting over it. I had my S10 set up very nice. Somebody is going to get a great bike.

 

[Big Blu]

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Suffice to say, there is a BMW in the garage that has had more repairs than the purchase price of the bike. (it's a 2011 w/74k on it), It's not a lemon, it's just a BMW.

My personal experience with BMW is a negative one, on almost every level.

Ya had to get that last zinger in, jeeeez. ::007::

Paul

 

[EricV]

Ya had to get that last zinger in, jeeeez. ::007::

Paul

Not a zinger. The problems we experienced on the bike are common to that bike. Nothing stands out as unusual. Transmission, stator, water pump, radiator overflow bottle, (never addressed by BMW, as they call it a "cosmetic" issue), and due to another water pump failure, engine meltdown, which was blamed on a known issue, the radiator cap, that had a puma letter, except that they never notified customers of it. These are all common failure points on many of the BMW products. Note that I didn't even mention the FD issues of the shaft drive bikes that, while much, much better since '08, still hasn't be really fixed and the same type of failures still are occurring, somewhat randomly, just as they have before. When one of the wheel bearings failed at 50k, the BMW dealer told me, with a shocked look, that they usually fail by 20k and he was amazed that we got 50k from them. If you think 20-50k for wheel bearings is normal, you haven't owned a japanese bike. 100k+ is normal there. I did have a failure at 150k on my FJR, but its hard to bitch about getting 150k out of anything, even a wheel bearing.

If you don't mind waiting for parts or just ordering them online and doing your own work, and you move on to another bike before the warranty period expires, you will probably have a very positive BMW experience. I have never used a towing service for a bike in my life, riding 20-50k miles a year, until having a BMW in the garage. Now I have three different tow services, and have had to use all three to get back home, and two of the three on multiple occasions when the nearest dealer was over 300 miles away. Even from home, the nearest BMW dealer is 140 miles away. My nearest Yamaha dealer is ~10 miles and I have options if I need dealer service, which is extremely rare.

I'm trying not to rant here, and being polite at this point. I'm not just one random guy that has had a couple of failures. This is a normal theme in the BMW product line. They rarely admit there is a problem and don't have the ability to correct it in a timely manner, and keep selling known defective parts and products w/o having actually fixed the problem. But hey, people keep buying them too, so buyer beware.

 

[Big Blu]

Not how I would choose to celebrate the ops purchase EricV but hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. ::007::

Paul

 

[EricV]

Not how I would choose to celebrate the ops purchase EricV but hey, ya gotta do what ya gotta do. ::007::

Paul

I'm not happy for him. I feel sorry for him when he realizes the mistake. But it's not like the info isn't out there.

To the OP, I hope you can prove me wrong and enjoy your experience with the RT. Apologies for the comments based upon my direct experience and knowledge of the brand.

 

[Wistrick]

not gonna be trading in my ST and you should stop riding ur new RT

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2014/June/jun0514-BMWrecall/

I swear I will never own another eruo bike again...

Dan

 

[kenbike]

The dealer called and told me they have a hold on the RT! Thanks for the notice from a few of you guys...
So I thinking what to do with the deal and will sleep on it tonight.
Had plans to get the new bike Friday and have a great weekend but a failure in the rear shock ESA system has killed my plans...

 

[Dallara]

not gonna be trading in my ST and you should stop riding ur new RT

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2014/June/jun0514-BMWrecall/

I swear I will never own another eruo bike again...

Dan

Can't wait to hear how Big Blu/Paul spins this one... ::025::

"We regret to inform you that with immediate effect all 2014 R 1200 RT with Dynamic ESA must not be ridden. At this moment, we cannot guarantee that the plunger rod assembly for the rear suspension unit will not fail.
Customers of affected machines will be contacted by their dealer immediately and asked not to ride their motorcycle. Whilst this is extremely disappointing for our customers their safety is BMW Motorrad's priority."

He's our resident BMW apologist... After all, he feels he can slam, bash, frag, slag, and flame Yamaha, the Super Tenere, and pretty much anything else he likes, but if anyone says anything bad about a BMW it's suddenly bad manners and rude behavior. So how is he gonna' handle it when BMW themselves say things like the customer's bike "must not be ridden" and that BMW "cannot guarantee... the rear suspension unit will not fail."

And here is BMW, who has been fooling with ESA suspension now for a few years... Now Yamaha, who only offered ESA on their 2014 FJR ES model... Well, have you seen any recalls on them, or the new Super Tenere ES, that say the bikes "must not be ridden" ??? ::025::

Dallara


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[Gee-Tee]

I'd be very interested to know what the BMW dealer gave him for the Tenere on trade. I'll be looking hard at the S1000F when released as it has regular forks and a chain.

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[TXTenere]

Well, have you seen any recalls on them, or the new Super Tenere ES, that say the bikes "must not be ridden" ??? ::025::

Not the ES, but with the headlight recall, Yamaha said the bike must not be ridden.

 

[justbob]

I just saw this on another forum that I frequent:

Effective Immediately
There is a Stop Ride and Stop Sale in effect for all R 1200 RT (K52) motorcycles with Dynamic ESA (options 191 or 233).

All customers who own or ride the above motorcycle must also be informed immediately!
Please use every means of communication possible (telephone, email etc.) to ensure affected customers are informed as quickly as possible.
At this time, BMW cannot guarantee that the plunger rod assembly for the rear suspension unit will not fail.

BMW Motorrad is currently working on a solution as a matter of urgency.

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Additional information will be provided as it becomes available.

We apologize for any inconvenience to you and our mutual customers.



BMW Motorrad USA

 

[Dallara]

Not the ES, but with the headlight recall, Yamaha said the bike must not be ridden.

Horsesh*t! ::005::

I've got the recall letter right here in my hands and it says:

"You should not ride your motorcycle until this modification is performed"

There's a few light-years difference between "should not" and "must not" ride your motorcycle. And there is also a world of difference between one of two headlamps blinking out and a rear suspension "plunger rod assembly" failing. One gives you a bit less illumination... The other causes you to crash. ::025::

Dallara



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[TXTenere]

Horsesh*t! ::005::

I've got the recall letter right here in my hands and it says:

"You should not ride your motorcycle until this modification is performed"

There's a few light-years difference between "should not" and "must not" ride your motorcycle. And there is also a world of difference between one of two headlamps blinking out and a rear suspension "plunger rod assembly" failing. One gives you a bit less illumination... The other causes you to crash. ::025::

Dallara



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Horsesh*t back to you!

Should -- used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness
Obligation -- an act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound; a duty or commitment.

So based on the English language, it would seem "should" and "must" are virtually synonymous.

 

[Dallara]

Horsesh*t back to you!

Should -- used to indicate obligation, duty, or correctness
Obligation -- an act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound; a duty or commitment.

So based on the English language, it would seem "should" and "must" are virtually synonymous.

Funny how you carefully and selectively eliminated the second part of that Google definition of "should"... You know, the part where it says"

"Used to indicate what is probable"

Probable - likely to be the case or to happen - synonyms: likely, most likely, odds-on, expected, anticipated, predictable, foreseeable, etc.

And while we're at it, how about this:

Should - synonyms: allow, become, consider, enjoy, experience, permit, entertain, let, etc.

Must - synonyms: precondition, prerequisite, requisite, charge, commitment, duty, fundamental, necessary, imperative, obligation, requirement, etc.

And let's not forget, according to Merriam-Webster, that "should" is the past tense of "SHALL", whereas "must" is the present tense of "used to say that something is required by a rule or law."

Besides, you said that the Yamaha recall letter said "must". It did *NOT*. It said "should". So what you claimed was inaccurate, incorrect, misleading, false, and pure D horsesh*t, period.

We can debate this all say long, but I think the vast majority of folks here would agree there is a rather plain and fundamental difference between the requisite levels of "should" and "must", just like there is a plain and fundamental between a headlamp going out and being a bit of an inconvenience, and a rear shock coming apart and throwing you down the road in a crash. ::025::

Dallara



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[Venture]

Guys - keep it on topic, and keep it friendly. Let's not get into bashing and slicing and dicing of definitions. I do not want to lock the thread but I will if the tone goes downhill.

 

[Curt]

The dealer called and told me they have a hold on the RT! Thanks for the notice from a few of you guys...
So I thinking what to do with the deal and will sleep on it tonight.
Had plans to get the new bike Friday and have a great weekend but a failure in the rear shock ESA system has killed my plans...

If I were you, I'd stick with it. They'll fix the problem and you'll get your RT. There's a reason you posted "I may be crazy, but..." You'll be trading off some annoying inconveniences for new life experiences. Life's too short on both counts.

 

[ThreePutt]

If I were you, I'd stick with it. They'll fix the problem and you'll get your RT. There's a reason you posted "I may be crazy, but..." You'll be trading off some annoying inconveniences for new life experiences. Life's too short on both counts.

What he said. You will LOVE the boxer motor.

I've crisscrossed the country several times on several BMW's and have never had a problem. That said I only keep them until my worry beads wear out then trade it.

 

[ThreePutt]

I'm going to change my mind. From the chatter on the BMW boards this probably isn't going to be a quick fix. Did you ride the GSW Adventure? I think it's more comfortable than the RT (so does my wife) and now it's got most of the gizmos.

http://bmwsporttouring.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=888214&nt=2&page=1

 

[creggur]

I just saw this on another forum that I frequent:

Effective Immediately
There is a Stop Ride and Stop Sale in effect for all R 1200 RT (K52) motorcycles with Dynamic ESA (options 191 or 233).

All customers who own or ride the above motorcycle must also be informed immediately!
Please use every means of communication possible (telephone, email etc.) to ensure affected customers are informed as quickly as possible.
At this time, BMW cannot guarantee that the plunger rod assembly for the rear suspension unit will not fail.

BMW Motorrad is currently working on a solution as a matter of urgency.

........
Additional information will be provided as it becomes available.

We apologize for any inconvenience to you and our mutual customers.



BMW Motorrad USA

I've been around the car business for over 15 years and have never seen a warning like this on a safety recall issue. Especially the part about: "Please use every means of communication possible (telephone, email etc.) to ensure affected customers are informed as quickly as possible."

If this came from BMW to their dealers there is a serious issue going on...

Bummer...I so want to like their bikes.