Same here I’d had never ridden or sat on a HD before the Pan America.
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Harley Pan American coming 2/21/2021
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Madhatter
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got a call from the HD sales guy , they just got in a special ...... send pictures ,I will be in touch...
TenereJourneyMan
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Dang! Talk about “crash and burn” out the gate... sad...
So, you're telling me that when H-D was doing R&D on this bike. . . . nobody rode it far enough at one time, that this wasn't revealed? They must have candy ass test riders, like me, that don't do distance.
That sure sounds like a recall in the works.
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My run in the 2021 Iron Butt Rally concluded today as I clocked in to the final checkpoint.
My Pan America ran absolutely flawless for the entire Rally, not one single problem. All I did was normal maintenance, adjusted the chain every 3rd gas stop (as recommended) and replaced a set of tires when I wore the other ones out. Yes, this bike will run.
I'll post a follow up video in the future when I've caught up on rest and am home, but in the mean time take care.
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My run in the 2021 Iron Butt Rally concluded today as I clocked in to the final checkpoint.
My Pan America ran absolutely flawless for the entire Rally, not one single problem. All I did was normal maintenance, adjusted the chain every 3rd gas stop (as recommended) and replaced a set of tires when I wore the other ones out. Yes, this bike will run.
I'll post a follow up video in the future when I've caught up on rest and am home, but in the mean time take care.
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It's not really a big deal and not all bikes are effected. I think the fix is to remove the hose, cut a little off the end and put it back on. Shortens it up a little and pulls it away from the pipe. I have to admit I was wrong about the bike being so ugly. After seeing it in person, the headlight isn't nearly as hard on the eyes as the pictures make it out to be. The White headlight does seems to draw some attention, but on the Black bikes it blends in really well. With the horsepower this thing puts out, I think HD will be selling a lot of them.So, you're telling me that when H-D was doing R&D on this bike. . . . nobody rode it far enough at one time, that this wasn't revealed? They must have candy ass test riders, like me, that don't do distance.
The headlight may be fugly but it sure is effective in the videos and photos I've seen.
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MattR
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Saw the new Harley at the festival two weeks ago (just before it caught fire and blew up) It’s the ugliest bike I’ve ever seen. (And I’ve seen a Busa up close
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scott123007
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How soon we forget...So, you're telling me that when H-D was doing R&D on this bike. . . . nobody rode it far enough at one time, that this wasn't revealed? They must have candy ass test riders, like me, that don't do distance.
Remember one of the first "off road" tests with the Tenere and a few other bikes? The first time the skid plate on the Tenere bottomed, it holed the oil pan. Talk about weenie test riders in R&D.
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Saw my first one in the wild today. No guessing needed as to what was coming at me...very obvious. Orange one, Harley rider with a big wave.
Wonder how common this sighting will be around here?
Wonder how common this sighting will be around here?
cyclemike4
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two things I really like what Harley did on this bike even if I am not a big fan of the nose on it. It doesn't look like anything else and they didn't follow any other bikes lead. They took the bull by the horns so to speak. Also the foot pegs are not on the front of the bike. haha. Seems like everything they have throws your feet way out in front of you.
The official name for the Pan America with the Harley crowd is the "Dirt Glide".
My guess is much more common than a Tenere. Like I said, I've already seen the PA on my street, but have only seen five Teneres ever.
We need to do a group ride by on Sierra's house.
Saw another PA today. On the toll road, within five miles of my house, but nowhere near a dealer, so not a test ride. Black & gray. Oldrider was right about the black & gray looking better. 100 yards makes it look even better; seriously. It got uglier as it got closer, but nothing like the orange & white. That's two within a month. Yeah, they're gonna sell just fine.
Xclimation
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Had an opportunity to finally test ride one today at a demo days. I can't say for sure that I was wowed by the bike. Some good things some bad things some things I'm not sure I understand. What I did not understand what seemed to be a limited rev range within each gear. It seems like at certain speeds you had to be in a certain gear or else the bike was just revving too much or not getting full power? I'll try to explain on my super tenere I can be in 4th gear anywhere from 30 mph to 70 mph and not feel like my bike is revving too much. There is a wider range within each gear on the super tenere. I know someone here will have an answer.... is that gearing or is it programming? Another thing I don't understand is... I swear my tenere just feels more powerful more acceleration more pull and responsiveness almost seemed like there was a slight hesitation in acceleration on the Pan America. Someone mentioned on their test ride they felt more torque on the low end on their tenere and I'm telling you I feel more torque on the Tenere throughout the entire range.
One thing I did enjoy is the bike was definitely very flickable. I mean this in a good way. I do feel the steering damper kind of takes a little bit of that flick ability away for me. When I was parking the bike... It backed up so easy to it wasn't even funny that's where a weight difference was definitely felt. On my tenere when backing up I have to push with more effort on my legs . On the Pan America it was almost just like walking backwards. As far as comfort... was okay the seat is the most comfortable stock motorcycle seat I have personally ever sat on in my opinion. the ergonomics of the bike when sitting seemed fine except for the pegs seem higher up off the ground and my legs were bent more than when I'm sitting on my tenere. It's kind of gave me a tad bit of a cramped feeling. When it came to standing I could not get as vertical standing up on the tenere. Rode the bike on the highway and wind management felt fine no buffeting at all I did not mess with any of the adjustments on the windshield. As far as the adaptable ride height I don't know or wonder if it was turned on, on the bike? I just didn't feel or notice anything with it. I'm assuming it was turned on because when the guy before me got off the bike I heard like a small motor noise. I am just under 5'10" and I'm able to stand on the bike with both my heels touching the ground as I can on my Tenere with seat in the low position so it's about the same height maybe a little bit shorter than the tenere in the low seat position. I took a look at the problem area where the radiator hose melted and bursts on the exhaust headers. Yes the hose is awful close and I'm sure the heat from the exhaust headers heat the hose some when the bike is still. if the bike is moving the wind of course will blow the opposite way from the radiator hose and I can see some different exhaust header with a slightly different Bend taking care of this or even wrapping the pipes as another person who was there pointed out with some heat wrap. And of course I harp on this but that battery and rectifier location in my opinion is just atrocious on an ADV bike.... That alone would be a deal-breaker for me and a water crossing where that battery is submerged will it not short out? And spray from the front tire on to the regulator and Battery I can see potential problems as well if somebody can explain this to me better I would surely appreciate it.
As far as braking goes man this bike has some brakes! It takes a little bit to adjust and not squeeze them too hard!
All in all the bike Rode nice. Like I said I just was not (wowed) or Overjoyed with it. When I got back on my tenere, it felt just so much more comfortable it felt more powerful and had more pull. I want to my tenere feels better handling but that could be just something about being used to the bike. I'm going to the ADV Fest next week and hope to possibly demo the bike again.
Forgot to mention the display on the bike. It was okay like other people pointed out you just have to get used to where things are located on the screen it was nice at did have a gear shift indicator and even when you pull in the hand clutch it would show you what gear you're in. I scroll through the menu and it looks like there is a lot of features which I did not really have time to play around with remind me of an Apple phone.
There were a lot of buttons on the hand controls the turn signals are on the left side like most other bikes whereas all other Harleys have the turn signal on each left and right side. Yes there are numerous buttons they were pretty intuitive and easy to figure out if you're familiar with the symbols and buttons on motorcycles.
Funny realization I came to... On the generation one tenere that had that clutch basket that gave those little vibrations between 2 and 3000 RPMs... That little vibrations is what it feels like to be on a bike with a chain at least that's what it felt like the entire time on the Pan America. Seem like that clutch basket on the generation one bothered some and did not bother others and I wonder if the ones that it did not bother came from a chain drive bike previously?
The picture attached shows the battery and how open it is and where the rectifier is directly in front of it so the heat from the rectifier goes onto the battery and heat decreases lifespan of batteries
One thing I did enjoy is the bike was definitely very flickable. I mean this in a good way. I do feel the steering damper kind of takes a little bit of that flick ability away for me. When I was parking the bike... It backed up so easy to it wasn't even funny that's where a weight difference was definitely felt. On my tenere when backing up I have to push with more effort on my legs . On the Pan America it was almost just like walking backwards. As far as comfort... was okay the seat is the most comfortable stock motorcycle seat I have personally ever sat on in my opinion. the ergonomics of the bike when sitting seemed fine except for the pegs seem higher up off the ground and my legs were bent more than when I'm sitting on my tenere. It's kind of gave me a tad bit of a cramped feeling. When it came to standing I could not get as vertical standing up on the tenere. Rode the bike on the highway and wind management felt fine no buffeting at all I did not mess with any of the adjustments on the windshield. As far as the adaptable ride height I don't know or wonder if it was turned on, on the bike? I just didn't feel or notice anything with it. I'm assuming it was turned on because when the guy before me got off the bike I heard like a small motor noise. I am just under 5'10" and I'm able to stand on the bike with both my heels touching the ground as I can on my Tenere with seat in the low position so it's about the same height maybe a little bit shorter than the tenere in the low seat position. I took a look at the problem area where the radiator hose melted and bursts on the exhaust headers. Yes the hose is awful close and I'm sure the heat from the exhaust headers heat the hose some when the bike is still. if the bike is moving the wind of course will blow the opposite way from the radiator hose and I can see some different exhaust header with a slightly different Bend taking care of this or even wrapping the pipes as another person who was there pointed out with some heat wrap. And of course I harp on this but that battery and rectifier location in my opinion is just atrocious on an ADV bike.... That alone would be a deal-breaker for me and a water crossing where that battery is submerged will it not short out? And spray from the front tire on to the regulator and Battery I can see potential problems as well if somebody can explain this to me better I would surely appreciate it.
As far as braking goes man this bike has some brakes! It takes a little bit to adjust and not squeeze them too hard!
All in all the bike Rode nice. Like I said I just was not (wowed) or Overjoyed with it. When I got back on my tenere, it felt just so much more comfortable it felt more powerful and had more pull. I want to my tenere feels better handling but that could be just something about being used to the bike. I'm going to the ADV Fest next week and hope to possibly demo the bike again.
Forgot to mention the display on the bike. It was okay like other people pointed out you just have to get used to where things are located on the screen it was nice at did have a gear shift indicator and even when you pull in the hand clutch it would show you what gear you're in. I scroll through the menu and it looks like there is a lot of features which I did not really have time to play around with remind me of an Apple phone.
There were a lot of buttons on the hand controls the turn signals are on the left side like most other bikes whereas all other Harleys have the turn signal on each left and right side. Yes there are numerous buttons they were pretty intuitive and easy to figure out if you're familiar with the symbols and buttons on motorcycles.
Funny realization I came to... On the generation one tenere that had that clutch basket that gave those little vibrations between 2 and 3000 RPMs... That little vibrations is what it feels like to be on a bike with a chain at least that's what it felt like the entire time on the Pan America. Seem like that clutch basket on the generation one bothered some and did not bother others and I wonder if the ones that it did not bother came from a chain drive bike previously?
The picture attached shows the battery and how open it is and where the rectifier is directly in front of it so the heat from the rectifier goes onto the battery and heat decreases lifespan of batteries
That is a weird place for a battery. Dielectric grease will be your friend. I think the bike being lower allowed for the easier "push back". My seat is in the low position, but I can only get both toes, or one foot to touch the ground. If I'm gonna roll the bike any distance, I get off to push it.
As far as the power issue. Is it possible that it's been electronically limited for test rides? My neighbor has a Hellcat, and apparently the horsepower can be adjusted/limited for specific drivers. Separately from the red & black keys.
As far as the power issue. Is it possible that it's been electronically limited for test rides? My neighbor has a Hellcat, and apparently the horsepower can be adjusted/limited for specific drivers. Separately from the red & black keys.
PhilPhilippines
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A Harley rider waving or the bike?
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