Had a lowside, no help from TCS?

Jlq1969

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私は何も理解していませんが、GOOGLE翻訳者によって救われています
SAYS: "I do not understand anything, but I'm saved by the GOOGLE translator":):)
 

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Bosch is the main supplier of the advance safety systems to the OEMs, this vid explains them.

It's an interesting video and neat technology.

Though some of the 'scenarios' are bunk. What motorcycle rider wasn't taught to use the rear brake on an uphill stop for instance? :)
 

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It's an interesting video and neat technology.

Though some of the 'scenarios' are bunk. What motorcycle rider wasn't taught to use the rear brake on an uphill stop for instance? :)
Not really. Think of a heavy, fully loaded touring bike ridden by a vertically challenged or older rider with a passenger, it'd be a big plus to be able to keep both feet firmly on the ground rather than holding up the bike with one foot while the other's on the brake.
 

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Not really. Think of a heavy, fully loaded touring bike ridden by a vertically challenged or older rider with a passenger, it'd be a big plus to be able to keep both feet firmly on the ground rather than holding up the bike with one foot while the other's on the brake.
I'm not saying it couldn't be useful, but as presented, bunk. Watch his feet, not even trying to use the rear brake.
 

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I'm not saying it couldn't be useful, but as presented, bunk. Watch his feet, not even trying to use the rear brake.
It’s a demonstration. The rider is showing what could be a worst case scenario. Riders may be trained to use the rear brake in that kind of situation, but at some point, each and every one of us will have a sphincter-clenching moment when training is forgotten and reactions take over. Bosch have made significant leaps forward in motorcycle safety technology which we should all be grateful for, it could just save us having an embarrassing moment or it could just save our lives.
 

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I'm not saying it couldn't be useful, but as presented, bunk. Watch his feet, not even trying to use the rear brake.
In all fairness wasn't the point of the video to demonstrate the technology? My car with a manual transmission also has a momentary hold feature and I appreciate it. It doesn't mean I don't know how to hold the car on a steep hill with the parking brake and release it in proportion to clutch take up. The uphill hold feature on a bike seems like a good idea. I've had cases where the surface was not only uphill but steeply sloped to the left as well. Loaded bike, passenger and a slight inseam challenge condition made stopping here (and there's a stop sign there with cross traffic so little opportunity to cheat) somewhat tenuous with only one foot down and on the low side at that.

These technology advancements are not to be interpreted as a personal insult to one's skills.
 

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In all fairness wasn't the point of the video to demonstrate the technology? My car with a manual transmission also has a momentary hold feature and I appreciate it. It doesn't mean I don't know how to hold the car on a steep hill with the parking brake and release it in proportion to clutch take up. The uphill hold feature on a bike seems like a good idea. I've had cases where the surface was not only uphill but steeply sloped to the left as well. Loaded bike, passenger and a slight inseam challenge condition made stopping here (and there's a stop sign there with cross traffic so little opportunity to cheat) somewhat tenuous with only one foot down and on the low side at that.

These technology advancements are not to be interpreted as a personal insult to one's skills.
A lure or enticement to gain more riders/buyers a portion of it. Plus creates jobs.
 
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Not really. Think of a heavy, fully loaded touring bike ridden by a vertically challenged or older rider with a passenger, it'd be a big plus to be able to keep both feet firmly on the ground rather than holding up the bike with one foot while the other's on the brake.
Planting both feet is something that feels really strange to me. I feel more comfortable with only one foot planted at a time. When both feet are touching the ground it means I'm out of balance. Not good!
 

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last week I attended a "basics" class for Adventure Touring riders. Much of the instruction was done on grassy surfaces. With road tires I was very grateful for having TCS engaged. Even engaged, the rear would briefly break loose. OTOH, part of the class was without TCS and I greatly enjoyed spraying a grass rooster tail on the Beemer behind me *G*

Some of the exercises were definitely an argument for adding a switch to shut off the ABS though
 
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