Had a lowside, no help from TCS?

bigbob

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I've had three, you can lean them but you can lean them and "give er". I've had the old style E-07, old style E-07 Dakar, new style E-07+. Same thing every time. That tire can not take being cranked over and try to put down power.

I do push pretty hard. :)
Guess I am a sissy. When the pegs are scraping I do NOT crank it on!
 

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Guess I am a sissy. When the pegs are scraping I do NOT crank it on!
Most likely, you have a different riding style (or too much riding with motard hooligans?). I don't tend to scrape the pegs too often, but I run the preload quite high.

Never had the TCS activate once running the Anakee 3, but every time on the different E-07's. I know they're different tires by a long shot, but when reading posts about folks running the E-07 and how well it works on the road... well, my experience is different.

I've got a Tractionator GPS ready go on in a few weeks, when this E-07+ is done. Will see how that behaves, and report back :)
 

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trail braking is where you trail (use) the rear brake only..... if the forks are compressed then it is not trail braking , preloading by braking and compressing the forks is a valid technique as is but different trail technique.
Sorry mate, but WJ Bertrand is quite correct when he describes trail braking into a corner.
 

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After reading this thread....I'm not sure where to start. 1) Braking, using the front, in a corner can EASILY lead to bad things. 2) Trail braking has always meant light rear brake application; can also lead to bad things. 3) I have yet to scrape a peg on the Tenere. I've been leaned over far enough to feel the back tire start to squirm; later inspection revealed the entire elimination of the chicken strips. 4) Maybe setting more preload explains it. Which got me to wondering if the people scraping pegs, are also the ones that consider the Tenere "under sprung". 5) Maybe I just don't have enough experience to ride well.
 

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After reading this thread....I'm not sure where to start. 1) Braking, using the front, in a corner can EASILY lead to bad things. 2) Trail braking has always meant light rear brake application; can also lead to bad things. 3) I have yet to scrape a peg on the Tenere. I've been leaned over far enough to feel the back tire start to squirm; later inspection revealed the entire elimination of the chicken strips. 4) Maybe setting more preload explains it. Which got me to wondering if the people scraping pegs, are also the ones that consider the Tenere "under sprung". 5) Maybe I just don't have enough experience to ride well.
Start with good riding techniques. Either via a course, mentoring or some of the good riding books. One of which I mentioned above.
 

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After reading this thread....I'm not sure where to start. 1) Braking, using the front, in a corner can EASILY lead to bad things. 2) Trail braking has always meant light rear brake application; can also lead to bad things. 3) I have yet to scrape a peg on the Tenere. I've been leaned over far enough to feel the back tire start to squirm; later inspection revealed the entire elimination of the chicken strips. 4) Maybe setting more preload explains it. Which got me to wondering if the people scraping pegs, are also the ones that consider the Tenere "under sprung". 5) Maybe I just don't have enough experience to ride well.
responses:
1-Braking with the front brake in a turn is a standard part of "trail braking." It leads to bad things only if you don't balance your traction between deceleration traction and lateral/turning traction. If you can not modulate braking with a bit of skill you will overload lateral traction and go down. Using the rear brake only can lead to low side or low side then high side if they go into a turn to hot.
2-I have never seen an advanced or sport riding book, article, or class that refers to using the rear brake going into a turn as trail braking. Trail braking formally refers to braking harder at the start of a turn and as the lean angle increases fading off of the brakes. As lateral Gs increase braking Gs are decreased. The MSF advises against braking in a turn because this is an advance skill and new riders are prone to screw it up and crash. It can be a very aggressive move or a mellow maneuver with a lot of safety margin.
3-On good pavement with sticky street tires is is almost impossible to make a tire squirm even when dragging pegs if you are riding smoothly. Dirt or street/trail tires slid easily. On a good road (even with with good body position) with street tires the pegs drag easily. On a good stretch of twisty road I sometimes have to work to not touch a peg down.
4-I could touch a peg down with TKC80s and there was some tire squirm. With street tires touching the pegs down is not a big deal. I have a Traxion Dynamics suspension components, forks and shocks, that are adjusted for my weight and twisty mountain roads.

Trail braking is not the same as trailing the rear brake.
 

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Using the front brake in a corner on the street is asking for road rash around here. Dirty roads and greasy dead critters everywhere.
 

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It’s a deft skill for sure which is a why you
must proportion your braking pressure according to lean angle. If you aren’t able to feel/sense the traction of the front tire then you may be safer finishing your braking before tipping in as the MSF teaches.


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Mr Bertrand, sir,you are bang on the button. Feeling the road through the tyres is a fundamental process in being able to ride confidently.
On an aside,I'm glad the OP was properly kitted out. Nothing worse than sticking to the bed sheets!
 

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I called the owner of Yamaha by phone, I told him I was going to sue him for U$ 5 million, for this problem. He replied: "I think you did not read the small letter of the contract":):)
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