First gen S10

[steve172]

Hi folks,

I've been looking for an S10 to replace my KTM and had been considering a second generation bike around 4 years old but have stumbled across an ultra low mileage 2010 model that appears to be cleaner and cheaper than most newer bikes I've seen so far and comes with the panniers etc too.
Is it still worth considering such a clean example and add a few choice improvements such as the cam chain tensioner and clutch basket? I've only ridden a 2015 bike but I assume they all ride the same. The 2010 bike is too far away for me to visit and ride so I'd really need to deal over the phone if I was to take the plunge.
TIA

 

[elricfate]

Personally I had to make the same choice between a 2012 with good kit, factory panniers 7k miles, 2013 with quality kit, quality aftermarket panniers, 4k miles and a 2015 ES, quality kit, quality aftermarket panniers, 20k miles. The 2015 had all the bells and whistles, higher miles, better quality kit and came with two more years of the YES warranty.

Once I rode both the 2012 and the 2015, the choice was an easy one. I liked the 2015 far and away better than the 2012, and the 2013 would be the same as the 2012. Plus the extended warranty coverage is totally worth the cost of admission.

 

[nimac]

I have a 2010 model and I love it! The clutch basket is soooo easy to do, over in about 30 mins and you don't have to drop oil or anything. To be fair, I haven't ridden the 2nd gen so I can't comment on that, I guess if you want cruise control you might consider it. I added a Rostra car CC and it works fine, bit of a project though, you gotta like that sort of thing I guess. Just done a Final drive breather mod, piece of cake too! I also added proper HID lights as the projector light bodies are made for em anyway, and wow, big difference.

 

[bigbob]

Steve172 and Nimac could you add City and state/province/country to your profiles. North America did not get 2010 so I am curious where you are.

 

[nimac]

Oh hello bigbob, actually I am along way from you in Perth, Western Australia.. G'DAY!!!

 

[EricV]

The Super Tenere came out in the EU and other parts of the world in 2010. The Gen II bikes are smoother and have Cruise Control. You can update the Gen I bikes with the Gen II clutch basket which will smooth things out under load at the 3-4k rpm range. The Gen II bikes also got several other minor tweaks and things like vibration dampening handlebar risers. Ride both. The basic bike is the same engine and frame. Most of the other large bits are the same too. You can add a lot of the changes to a Gen I if you feel the need. I put 109k miles on my 2012 Gen I bike and now have 38k miles on my 2015 Gen II. I love the factory CC for my traveling needs, but the Gen I did fine with a throttle lock. Aftermarket CC units are available, both specific for $$$$ and generic for $$. No idea if a generic CC set up would cause an issue at MOT.

 

[Champagne InHand]

I am quite happy with my low-mileage 2013, but no panniers though most everything else including ECU reprogram.

I don’t feel too much vibration but I’ve had many bikes with much worse. You can always add Rox risers that have vibration dampening for very little.

I’ve never had a CC before, but I will invest next season in a good Throttle lock. For now the $10ish wrist rest throttle control.

Yamaha makes such solid bikes, I would not stress the extra warranty. I almost never buy extended warranties on makes that are quite reliable.

This is my 4th Yamaha over several decades.

I did buy one in a used Jeep Grand Cherokee that paid for itself, but 2011 was a new model year and Fiats first go at integrating with Jeep that was linked with Daimler Benz.

Of course if you have no access to getting an ECU flash on a Gen I, then perhaps the later model is for you.


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[elricfate]

If you're going to do a Gen1 and do the clutch basket, don't forget to also update the cam chain tensioner to the gen2 part as well. There's other improvements, different ECU flashes between the gens, different handlebars (tapered in gen2), LED lights in gen2, etc. But that's all stuff you can replace over time depending on the deals you find. I couldn't pass mine up for the money.

 

[Boris]

I have a Gen1 bike and updated to the latest CCT and clutch basket. The latter made such a big improvement to the bike! The former probably did too, however there’s no noticeable difference.

The original CCT nagged away at me, now I just forget it until about 60k miles, where I’ll replace again.

Basic maintenance and ride, that’s it!

 

[baisleyde]

I ride a 2013 , I really dont know how it could be any smoother , not going to bother with any clutch basket change.

 

[Checkswrecks]

I too had a Gen1 and changed to a Gen2 bike. They ride similar but not quite the same. Not at all knocking the Gen1 but the Gen2 is a bit smoother and just a bit better.

 

[eemsreno]

I ride a 2013 , I really dont know how it could be any smoother , not going to bother with any clutch basket change.

I ride my 2012 everyday and everyday I just can't get over how nice and smooth this thing is.
Then my wife wants to go for a ride and I'll get out the 2017, and wow it really is a nicer bike in every way.
But then I'm back on the 12 and forget all about the 17.

 

[EricV]

I ride a 2013 , I really dont know how it could be any smoother , not going to bother with any clutch basket change.

The clutch basket upgrade is really about vibrations under load between 3-4k rpms. They don't really start to become noticeable for most riders until around 30-50k miles. Some notice it much sooner, others never really do. For most, riding uphill in that rpm range where they feel it in the foot pegs and bars. It can become quite annoying on longer rides. I replaced my Gen I clutch basket with the Gen II at 83k miles. I had already been working with a fellow in TX to alter the OEM basket and he had just about eliminated the vibes, but the Gen II clutch basket with polymers instead of springs was still smoother.

 

[steve172]

Thanks for the input guys, the bike I'm looking at is a 2010 bike with only 7k miles on and looks like it's never seen a wet road, let alone any winter use. Just need to hit the YES button. It looks in better condition than most of the gen2 bikes in my budget.

Bigbob...I'm in the UK.

 

[gmtech]

could someone give a link to all that is needed for clutch basket swap? thanks

 

[Boris]

This actually covers modifying the original basket, but also covers a swap over.

http://www.vibefreev.com/downloads/Removing and Replacing the Yamaha XT1200 Clutch Basket.pdf

When I did mine, I reused the nut and the clutch cover gasket.

 

[gmtech]

so there are no parts listed in that. you just need clutch basket. and nut and gasket?

 

[Boris]

Yes, basket, nut and gasket. I only got the basket.

Parts 1 & 22 on the link. Not sure where the gasket part number is.

https://www.yamahapart.com/oemparts/a/yam/53306feaf870024560f03e51/clutch

 

[nimac]

Cheapest clutch basket I found was from Partzilla. I reused the nut and gasket with no problems. I also changed to a Graves manual cam tensioner while the clutch cover was off so you can see/feel the chain better, also keeping something wedged against the chain so it didn't move whilst changing over the cct.
https://www.partzilla.com/product/yamaha/23P-16150-00-00
https://www.gravesport.com/products/graves-motorsports-yamaha-r1-fz10-mt10-high-precision-cam-chain-tensioner.html

 

[gmtech]

cool thanks guys