Error code 041

[taskmaster86]

Well cared for 2014 Super Ten with 4,500 miles. It was stored away for winter properly and hasn't been started since the end of December.

We have our first nice day in CT so I pull it out of the garage, charge the battery with a battery tender junior for a few hours and go to fire it up. The info screen says 041 and she cranks very slowly. When starting the engine, the error code goes away but the engine light flashes and the starter cranks very slowly, definitely not as fast and strong as it should be. I plug a voltage meter into the battery tender lead and it reads 12.1 volts, Good but not great. I look up the error code in the service manual and code 041 relates to the lean angle sensor, which is a sensor located under the passenger seat supposedly.

I have never had that code before and have never messed with the lean angle sensor. I did lightly drop the bike 2 years ago but all it did was barely scratch the crash bars, everything has been perfect with the bike, until now. I am thinking the battery is just weak and on it's way out, and that is causing the slow starting and error code. I am thinking I will try jump starting the bike tomorrow and go from there. Does anyone have any suggestions or input for me before I go buy a new battery or dig deeper into this?

Thanks, Adam.

 

[tomatocity]

Search "error code 041" has some information.

 

[Pterodactyl]

12.1 volts is not a good charge. It indicates about 25% of charge (see the table below), but the important reading is the battery reading under a load such as starting. I suspect that you will find the reading quite low. A healthy motorcycle battery should maintain a range from 9.5 - 10.5 volts under the load for about 30 seconds.


Battery Voltage and State of Charge:
12.66v . . . . . . . . . . 100%
12.45v . . . . . . . . . . 75%
12.24v . . . . . . . . . . 50%
12.06v . . . . . . . . . . 25%
11.89v . . . . . . . . . . 0%

 

[taskmaster86]

12.1 volts is not a good charge. It indicates about 25% of charge (see the table below), but the important reading is the battery reading under a load such as starting. I suspect that you will find the reading quite low. A healthy motorcycle battery should maintain a range from 9.5 - 10.5 volts under the load for about 30 seconds.


Battery Voltage and State of Charge:
12.66v . . . . . . . . . . 100%
12.45v . . . . . . . . . . 75%
12.24v . . . . . . . . . . 50%
12.06v . . . . . . . . . . 25%
11.89v . . . . . . . . . . 0%

Cool Chart and good to know, where did you find it? I Figured 12.1 wasn't that great but I didn't realize it was that low either. Keep in mind I got that number AFTER the battery was charged with the battery tender for a few hours. I will test the voltage when I try to start it tomorrow but I am very confident that it will be low. I also feel more confident that the battery is just dying and the low voltage is giving me the error code.

If I can manage to jump start the engine, would running it charge the battery any better than my battery tender? I doubt it but I am not sure. Electrical is not my finest cup of tea.

Searching error code 041 came back with nothing, hence the new thread.

 

[elain]

error 041 means problem with angle sensor.

Middle wire (yellow/green) should be 0.4-1.4 V in upright position, 3.7-4.4 V in overturned.
of course - ignition should be on.

 

[taskmaster86]

Well guys, sometimes things aren't as simple as a dead battery..... FML

I put the bike on a jump starter and tried to fire her up this morning, No dice.

Now I am a little worried and decide to take a look at the lean angle sensor just to have a look at it. I take off the drivers seat and pumpkin seeds fall out on me and I am beginning to fear the worst, uh-oh. I take off the passenger's seat and the plastic cover below it and I find this........ WARNING, GRAPHIC CONTENT! ::010::





The mice got me! Little Fockers!!!!

The good news is that portion of the wiring harness seems easily available but my usual source doesn't have this for the 2014 models yet. Any suggestions on where to order it?

Part# 18 here:

http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/2013/SUPER%20TENERE%20-%20XTZ12DG/ELECTRICAL%202/parts.html

 

[Dogdaze]

Little vermin indeed! But, on the positive side, at least the fix is relatively simple, but while you're at it, change and upgrade the battery anyway.................

 

[Checkswrecks]

Little vermin indeed! But, on the positive side, at least the fix is relatively simple, but while you're at it, change and upgrade the battery anyway.................

+1


And you can make a temporary splice with some connector pins to just have the bike running till the replacement comes in. I was hoping to be able to say you could just jumper it out but that is not the case, as the wiring diagram shows three connections from it to the ECU.

 

[holligl]

A couple years ago the rascals decided the best place to munch the corn we had for the squirrels was in my wife's cars engine department above the cabin intake. We knew we had a problem when the HVAC blower starter spewing chunks of corn on the passenger side. The guilty party was caught and executed.

 

[Pterodactyl]

Cool Chart and good to know, where did you find it? I Figured 12.1 wasn't that great but I didn't realize it was that low either. Keep in mind I got that number AFTER the battery was charged with the battery tender for a few hours. I will test the voltage when I try to start it tomorrow but I am very confident that it will be low. I also feel more confident that the battery is just dying and the low voltage is giving me the error code.

If I can manage to jump start the engine, would running it charge the battery any better than my battery tender? I doubt it but I am not sure. Electrical is not my finest cup of tea.

Searching error code 041 came back with nothing, hence the new thread.

Sorry to hear you were vandalized by mice. Hopefully the damage to the lean sensor is the extent of it. Next time you store it try putting mothballs if a few areas. Supposedly that will keep the critters away.

There are several versions of that chart floating around on battery and repair sites, a quick search will reveal some. A 12.1 v charge right after coming off the tender is indeed low. Typically a battery will read over 13 v right after charging. This is the result of a misleading surface charge on the plates and after any draw on the battery will quickly drop to 12.7-12.6 v on a healthy battery.

 

[taskmaster86]

So I have a plan to repair this mess.

I ordered 2 of the sub harnesses from part shark for $15 and change. I am first going to cut off all of the damaged wire and splice in the new connector that goes to the sensor. I will connect it with waterproof crimp connectors and that should do it. If for some reason that doesn't work, then I will go through and replace the whole harness. I am really going to try to avoid having to open all of the conduits all the way to the ECU to replace it, what a nightmare. I can't see why splicing in a new connector won't work, so fingers crossed.

The good news is that I couldn't find any other damaged wiring. It looks like the mice only chewed the wires going to the lean angle sensor because it was in their way. I will stick some moth balls under the seat and in the tool kit area behind the right side panel as well as spreading some around the shed.

As for the battery, I found a generic brand of Yuasa called Motocross. The battery is marked Motocross by Yuasa, made in Japan. It is the same as the Yuasa brand battery but sold at a much lower price due to the generic labeling. I found it for $99 on ebay, does anyone have any experience with that brand?

 

[Sierra1]

A couple years ago the rascals decided the best place to munch the corn we had for the squirrels was in my wife's cars engine department above the cabin intake. We knew we had a problem when the HVAC blower starter spewing chunks of corn on the passenger side. The guilty party was caught and executed.

Mice get into things that are not driven frequently. Squirrels will get into anything. One year old Jeep, driven daily, whole wiring harness had to be replaced. Three weeks to repair, and $1800.00. BTW, comprehensive insurance will cover this type of damage. Since then, my sons and I hone our shooting skills by eliminating any/all squirrels in our yard. (yes, we live out in the country, and practice firearms safety)

 

[taskmaster86]

Mice get into things that are not driven frequently. Squirrels will get into anything. One year old Jeep, driven daily, whole wiring harness had to be replaced. Three weeks to repair, and $1800.00. BTW, comprehensive insurance will cover this type of damage. Since then, my sons and I hone our shooting skills by eliminating any/all squirrels in our yard. (yes, we live out in the country, and practice firearms safety)

Glad to know that I am not the only one! I pop squirrels out of the trees on my property but these were clearly mice living fat and happy on a diet of pumpkin seeds and wire. I am going to put out some poison (Ramik) and a few bars of Irish spring soap for now. Once the bike is up for the winter, I will spread out some moth balls and replenish them regularly.

I was considering using my insurance if my quick splice in repair does not work. Opening the entire wiring harness and tracing out this one sub harness seems like a real head ache and not something I am terribly interested in doing. The biggest problems going the insurance route would be my premium going up and then finding a good shop to do the work. Most of the stealerships around here only hire hacks for mechanics and I am not sure I would trust them to do this type of repair....

 

[AVGeek]

So I have a plan to repair this mess.

I ordered 2 of the sub harnesses from part shark for $15 and change. I am first going to cut off all of the damaged wire and splice in the new connector that goes to the sensor. I will connect it with waterproof crimp connectors and that should do it. If for some reason that doesn't work, then I will go through and replace the whole harness. I am really going to try to avoid having to open all of the conduits all the way to the ECU to replace it, what a nightmare. I can't see why splicing in a new connector won't work, so fingers crossed.

The good news is that I couldn't find any other damaged wiring. It looks like the mice only chewed the wires going to the lean angle sensor because it was in their way. I will stick some moth balls under the seat and in the tool kit area behind the right side panel as well as spreading some around the shed.

As for the battery, I found a generic brand of Yuasa called Motocross. The battery is marked Motocross by Yuasa, made in Japan. It is the same as the Yuasa brand battery but sold at a much lower price due to the generic labeling. I found it for $99 on ebay, does anyone have any experience with that brand?

I personally haven't used the Motocross brand, it could be a less expensive subsidiary, rather than the main factory making them. I'd also go ahead and spring for the larger battery. There is one model that is the same size and terminal configuration as the stocker, but is rated for more CCA. I know several threads here have the details on the upgraded battery.

 

[RonH]

The YTZ14S is the upgrade of the factory YTZ12S battery. 20 more CCA in the same package. It never hurts to have more amps. It seems the Super Tenere is an engine that takes a lot of power to start reliably.

 

[taskmaster86]

The YTZ14S is the upgrade of the factory YTZ12S battery. 20 more CCA in the same package. It never hurts to have more amps. It seems the Super Tenere is an engine that takes a lot of power to start reliably.

Motocross also makes the YTZ14S and I can get it for $99 with free shipping and no tax on Ebay. I think I am going to give it a shot. All of the info I can find about Motocross, everyone is saying that Motocross is the exact same as the Yuasa, just with a different sticker and lower price tag. I am going to order it and tell you how it works out. Hopefully the battery and wiring harnesses get here by the weekend because the weather in CT is finally improving.

Thanks for the help and encouragement, I will let you know how I make out.

 

[Sierra1]

The biggest problems going the insurance route would be my premium going up and then finding a good shop to do the work.

Generally, comprehensive claims do not raise premiums. As for mice prevention, I use Tomcat brand "bars". I live beside a huge field, and keep my garage/crawl space stocked with the bars. They will kill the mice/rats without any stinking. I use electronic means to prevent squirrels. Northern Tools has a 90 degree, dual speaker emitter. Good luck!

 

[taskmaster86]

Ok so the S-10 is back up and running!

Luckily, the sub harness was a short harness that connected to a group of plugs under the rider seat. That made swapping the entire sub harness out much easier than I expected and I did not have to do any cutting or splicing. Here is the old harness:




The battery on the other hand, required me to take off the crash bar on that side. So that added a little bit of time to the project but no big deal. The engine now starts with the slightest blip of the starter, which is a nice change. As far as the battery I bought, I can't tell any difference between it and the regular Yuasa for double the price, so I would say I made the right choice. It only cost $99 and came in 2 days. I got it from Ebay if you are wondering. If this battery doesn't work out, I am going to try the interstate cycle tron offering and see how that does.



Moth balls, bars of soap and rodent poison will definitely be part of my storage routine for next year. Thanks for all the help and encouragement.

 

[rickster60]

Having starting problems myself. I'll check the wiring harness...just a note though, my wife parks her car outside, in a field all summer while we spend winters in AZ. First year had mouse problems. Since then, four years now, we have been emptying a box of dryer sheets in every part of the car that we can think of and have not had an issue with rodents. I also pushed a small piece of heavy wire mesh into the opening of the air intake as I once had a nest just under the air filter itself..
Now to the S10 for more diagnostics...

 

[taskmaster86]

Having starting problems myself. I'll check the wiring harness...just a note though, my wife parks her car outside, in a field all summer while we spend winters in AZ. First year had mouse problems. Since then, four years now, we have been emptying a box of dryer sheets in every part of the car that we can think of and have not had an issue with rodents. I also pushed a small piece of heavy wire mesh into the opening of the air intake as I once had a nest just under the air filter itself..
Now to the S10 for more diagnostics...

The good news is that the sensor is a simple swap if it is bad. Take off the rider seat, then the passenger seat. Now take off the passenger seat cover and the sensor will be right there. Easy peasy as long as that is the only damaged wiring or sensor.

Good luck!

As for keeping the rodents out, I am going to double the fun and do both dryer sheets AND scented moth balls. Bars of irish spring soap doesn't appear to be working.