EPA Acknowledges Ethanol Damages Engines

[Dallara]

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Oh, yeah EPA... Now tells us something we didn't all already know! ::010::

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2/18291/Motorcycle-Article/EPA-Acknowledges-Ethanol-Damages-Engines.aspx

Wonder how much taxpayer money they wasted deciding to let us all in on their earth-shattering conclusion! ::025::

Dallara


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[Koinz]

let the lawsuits begin

 

[Mark R.]

Like all things having to do with the government, they dictate the rules, and everyone else pays the price. I could go on and on about these insanely violent megalomaniacal sociopathic criminals in DC, but I won't.

 

[BravoBravo]

As Professor Moriarty would say, "No shit, Sherlock!" So armed with this knowledge, the government will now stand up to the powerful corn lobby and say, sorry guys, this stuff is no good. We are now going to mandate that only pure gasoline be sold to the motoring public. Right. In my dreams...

 

[Scoobynut]

As Professor Moriarty would say, "No shit, Sherlock!" So armed with this knowledge, the government will now stand up to the powerful corn lobby and say, sorry guys, this stuff is no good. We are now going to mandate that only pure gasoline be sold to the motoring public. Right. In my dreams...

Exactly, Bravo. In North Dakota, right after the Fed. government decided to stop subsidizing ethanol to a large extent like they had in the past, N. Dakota goes and makes almost all pumps ethanol. If you want ethanol-free gas now, you have to buy premium. Grrrrr. I suppose the strong ag lobby in ND decided they didn't want to be weaned of that teat just yet. Grrrr. Ethanol=A solution seeking a problem.

 

[Dallara]

Exactly, Bravo. In North Dakota, right after the Fed. government decided to stop subsidizing ethanol to a large extent like they had in the past, N. Dakota goes and makes almost all pumps ethanol. If you want ethanol-free gas now, you have to buy premium. Grrrrr. I suppose the strong ag lobby in ND decided they didn't want to be weaned of that teat just yet. Grrrr. Ethanol=A solution seeking a problem.

Scooby, you're lucky!

Down here in Texas - one of the largest oil producing states in the union - you almost can't find *ANY* ethanol-free gas, period. Not even premium.

Oh, there's some in a few of the larger metropolitan areas, but it's getting thin on the ground here. There used to be two stations in my city that had ethanol-free gas, but one day they only had it in regular, and then shortly after that - *POOF* - none at all! I asked a guy at one of the stations one day what happened and he said their fuel supplier no longer offered it. The station owner had kept offering it as long as he could because it was all he liked to run in his cars and boats, and he was pissed when the fuel carriers stopped handling ethanol-free gas.

Speaking of boats, now the only place to get it locally (other than AV gas) is a couple of marinas, and there is no way to get their hoses from the pumps to your car. You can use a can, but the ethanol-free gas they sell is expensive, too. One of these days I've got to ask where they get it.

It really irks me that here in Corpus Christi, TX, where we have a bunch of gasoline refineries, and I can't get ethanol-free gasoline!!! ::010::

The idiocy of our federal government never ceases to amaze me! They get on this ethanol kick to save the environment, and the next thing you know we're all seeing engine damage, weird crap with plastic motorcycle fuel tanks, etc., but worst of all it causes skyrocketing corn prices, which drives up feed prices, which drives up meat prices, etc.... not to mention that it raises food prices on some of the items that the poorest folks on the planet exist on. And let's not forget that ethanol fuel is not nearly as "green" as they want it to be, given the energy, etc. it takes to process corn into ethanol.

It's all horsesh*t, and a typical government boondoggle! Just insane! ::009::

OK, rant over.... Whew! I'll get down off my soapbox now. ::025::

Dallara



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[argonaut]

List of Ethanol free gas stations in the US and Canada.

http://pure-gas.org/

Lately I've made an effort to buy gas from these sellers. If I venture inside to buy a snack I make sure to have the employee mention to the manager that I only purchased fuel at their store because they sell Ethanol free gas. Drip by drip we can make a difference.

 

[Scoobynut]

Scooby, you're lucky!

Down here in Texas - one of the largest oil producing states in the union - you almost can't find *ANY* ethanol-free gas, period. Not even premium.

Oh, there's some in a few of the larger metropolitan areas, but it's getting thin on the ground here. There used to be two stations in my city that had ethanol-free gas, but one day they only had it in regular, and then shortly after that - *POOF* - none at all! I asked a guy at one of the stations one day what happened and he said their fuel supplier no longer offered it. The station owner had kept offering it as long as he could because it was all he liked to run in his cars and boats, and he was pissed when the fuel carriers stopped handling ethanol-free gas.

Speaking of boats, now the only place to get it locally (other than AV gas) is a couple of marinas, and there is no way to get their hoses from the pumps to your car. You can use a can, but the ethanol-free gas they sell is expensive, too. One of these days I've got to ask where they get it.

It really irks me that here in Corpus Christi, TX, where we have a bunch of gasoline refineries, and I can't get ethanol-free gasoline!!! ::010::

The idiocy of our federal government never ceases to amaze me! They get on this ethanol kick to save the environment, and the next thing you know we're all seeing engine damage, weird crap with plastic motorcycle fuel tanks, etc., but worst of all it causes skyrocketing corn prices, which drives up feed prices, which drives up meat prices, etc.... not to mention that it raises food prices on some of the items that the poorest folks on the planet exist on. And let's not forget that ethanol fuel is not nearly as "green" as they want it to be, given the energy, etc. it takes to process corn into ethanol.

It's all horsesh*t, and a typical government boondoggle! Just insane! ::009::

OK, rant over.... Whew! I'll get down off my soapbox now. ::025::

Dallara



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Pretty much my feelings exactly, so rant on to your heart's content, sir.

 

[BravoBravo]

Pretty much my feelings exactly, so rant on to your heart's content, sir.

Yep! ::026::

 

[Roge]

Like all things having to do with the government, they dictate the rules, and everyone else pays the price. I could go on and on about these insanely violent megalomaniacal sociopathic criminals in DC, but I won't.

That's government in a global context. No different anywhere else, a elite club which in effect becomes a collective dictatorship.

 

[arjayes]

Like all things having to do with the government, they dictate the rules, and everyone else pays the price. I could go on and on about these insanely violent megalomaniacal sociopathic criminals in DC, but I won't.

Feel free to cut loose - I for one would love to hear what's on your mind!

Wrong forum I know, but if you've paid any attention to the BLM vs. Cliven Bundy battle in Nevada this is worth listening to. Amazing what our government is capable of.

The Truth About the Nevada Rancher's Standoff

 

[Rasher]

Luckily we don't see this crap in the UK, but it is becoming very common in other parts of Europe. I am sure I have read elsewhere that it rots fuel pipes as well,

Generally I tend to steer well clear, but I am never certain what is in our UK fuel or the quality of the stuff, most major brands have some expensive "high performance" fuel with a whole load of marketing BS to get you to spend a few pence extra per litre, they tend to claim you get more power, more mileage, it cleans your engine, enlarges your penis etc.

Some people claim all our fuel is the same, others that it starts the same but each brand out in their own magic additives, some folk say supermarket fuel wrecks your engine.

On the bike I try to stick to the major companies, but don't pay for their premium fuel, and in Europe I avoid anything labelled as E* regardless of how much cheaper it may be - never knew it was made from Corn, I assume the green angle is that it is sustainable and you don't have to dig up some of the worlds most beautiful regions to extract it and can flatten some of the worlds most beautiful Forests and Jungles to grow it instead.

 

[GrahamD]

- never knew it was made from Corn, I assume the green angle is that it is sustainable and you don't have to dig up some of the worlds most beautiful regions to extract it and can flatten some of the worlds most beautiful Forests and Jungles to grow it instead.

Can be made with anything with sugar, Sugar cane is the best, getting back about 5 -7 times what you put in, Corn is just energy laundering mostly.

Or sea water and electricity if you wish, but that's a little while off.

If you were serious about designing for it then it's not a problem. It would be great if it was offered as a 105RON fuel for engines designed for it rather than this mish mash of policy. That way your engine would be lighter for the same power output AND with ethanol you only get Ethanol not a mixture of 120+ different chemicals that may or may not be mixed the same.

It is one reason why the race industry likes things like Ethanol C2H6O, methanol CH4O, nitromethane CH3NO2 etc.

They are all pure synthetic fuels and can be relied upon to perform in bleeding edge applications. Mixing them in with others is just one more problem for the engineers to figure out, although it is quite possible..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexible-fuel_vehicles_in_Brazil

Without that then 15% is pushing the mixture a bit far. Which is what the EPA was referring to 15% E15 blends.

In motorcycles and nonroad products [using E15 and higher ethanol blends], EPA raised engine-failure concerns from overheating

None of the estimated 22 million motorcycles and ATVs currently in operation can use fuels with blends higher than 10 percent ethanol. Doing so could void the manufacturer's warranty, in addition to causing damage to the vehicle.