Considering the delay, any vendors offering specials to cheer us up.

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Rem you're too funny
Uh oh, a third opinion. I'm frugal, ugly and funny. What more could a guy ask for?

Thanks, guys. I enjoy trying to "lighten the mood" a little if appropriate. Please don't hesitate to let me know if I'm out of line.
This is a great forum. I have signed up with several from ST1300 to Kubota, but this one is far and away the most intelligent and enjoyable one. I really enjoy it. Kudos to the guy(s) who set it up, and all of you who keep it the quality forum that it is.

OK, no more serious crap. Jeeze. I'm about to cry here. R
 

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For those who disagree with drumming up business. (And a few of you disagree with me often for some crazy reason)



To be clear, I don't expect any vendors to stock up and get their shelves ready for the vast parts they are about to sell at a discount, but if any have some and would like to unload them at a discount great. If not we are where we are and I will wait till next spring to start farkling.
 

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WEll, that certainly gives us something to ruminate over. :)) Sometimes you just have to take the bull by the tail, and face the situation. Please don't ask me what that means. R
 

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Koinz said:
Rem you're too funny :D
But maybe he was serious about his wife's comments!!! ;D

(Yeah, I'm funnin' with you Rem)
 

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You guys will have to judge for yourselves when you pass through here on your way to Alaska.

I'll leave you with this thought, as my grandmother used to tell me:
"Beauty may be only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone." :-* You boys better get some sleep, or you'll be cranky like me. R
 

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rem said:
You guys will have to judge for yourselves when you pass through here on your way to Alaska.

I'll leave you with this thought, as my grandmother used to tell me:
"Beauty may be only skin deep, but ugly goes clean to the bone." :-* You boys better get some sleep, or you'll be cranky like me. R
Hey, I'm planning on stopping through there on my way - so make sure you have the coffee on!!!

As for sleep - since switching to PDT (versus MDT), I'm good for another hour!!

;D ;D
 

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I'll go put the coffee on now.

I'm glad you're good for another hour. I'm not much good for anything these days (I think there's an echo in here). I'm down. Let's be careful out there. R
 

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Re: Considering the delay - why not support the vendors ?

Bill310 said:
I was actually surprised to see this post. One of the things that many of us need is the ability to have entrepreneurs develop specialized accessories for the Super Tenere as well as our other motorcycles

These vendors are going to be financially disadvantaged due to the fact that they have paid for materials and design work up front and now are seeing a delay of sales because of a natural disaster that in case anyone forgot killed tens of thousands of people and has left many, many families homeless and missing loved ones.


I would suggest that rather than ask for a discount now, those of you waiting for your $14,000 motorcycles order and buy the accessories you want and will need when your motorcycle arrives today from these vendors .

This opportunistic selfishness and greed disappoints me. I expect that some who want a discount today (saving perhaps $30.00) will complain next year about no availability or higher costs of the parts they are demanding a discount on today.
+1

This "Oh So Desperate (Waah Waah!)" situation has really caused the turds to rise in this punchbowl.

There's already a fair number of people around here that I would not ride to the corner with.

Paul
 

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Bill310 said:
I agree with you , this discussion is really all about greed and taking advantage of small American manufacturers who are being affected by a natural disaster beyond their control.

I understand Supply and Demand as well as the principles of capitalism. I also know who John Galt is and realize that many people never finished the book and understand what Ayn Rand meant. Selling a superior product at little or no profit is never good for a small manufacturer who is his only employee, they just close up and move to the mountains.

I also believe that we have an obligation to support the small vendors/manufacturers of high quality specialty parts for our Motorcycles.

I have seen too many of the really good aftermarket part manufacturers close up because people will buy the cheap crap first to save a little, then when that fails try and organize a group buy to get the good parts for less. Quite often the good manufacturers just close up because they are working for nothing and those of us who value good workmanship lose another supplier.

I sell my intellectual services and make a living doing that. I made a decision to never discount my services because those that make the claims of supply and demand and capitalism end up being without exception lousy and non profitable clients.

As an example, I watched the whole AltRider Crashbar "cost" debate. I saw the product, the R & D they put into it and paid what they asked, others didn't, that is a free market. The individuals who denigrated the product when it was really just them being cheap does not help those of us who need high quality stuff. I wish if stuff was too expensive for someone's wallet that they would just STFU and move on.

Levering a Japanese earthquake's manufacturing problems aftermath into a weak attempt to hide behind a "free market" goes contrary to the "Buy American" rhetoric, I read on all of these forums. When you want to save $30.00 on a low margin, custom made motorcycle accessory, you are simply sending another great little hobby business down the path towards shutting down because you took away their profit and incentive to continue to manufacture.

If you really wanted to use supply and demand you need to understand the value of volume orders. I doubt that any group buy will be in excess of 20 units making it even less attractive except for the individual who wants to close up and never build these items again.

Since I am obviously in the minority on this topic, I think it is better that we agree to disagree and move on.
I can definitely agree to agree, Bill. The attitudes of many high profile members here betray Venture in his effort to actually make this a "community" people wish to belong to. It's these people who will destroy the dream for him. I've already considered exiting the forum myself, because of the absence of proper values and character displayed by many and refuted by few. Too many here do not understand the free market and laughingly fail to consider the welfare, concerns and the future of valuable vendors supplying excellent products on an extremely low budget feeding an exceptionally small market. They have no understanding of the work involved in actually earning a dollar. Some actually try to equivocate, calling themselves frugal, when in actuality they're just cheapskates.

Perhaps the subject HAS gotten too deep (some have called it serious). However, it IS serious, when you're an opportunist putting out the call to the rabble in an effort to screw hardworking, ingenious people trying to provide a decent product done in good faith....just to save a buck.

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Hey guys, let's cool this off and keep it friendly. Disputes happen because we are all of diverse opinions, but we all have to know when to just let it go. I don't like to lock threads, so let's just let this one lie for now. If anybody has any problems with that feel free to PM me.
 

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Re: Considering the delay - why not support the vendors ?

Bill310 said:
I was actually surprised to see this post. One of the things that many of us need is the ability to have entrepreneurs develop specialized accessories for the Super Tenere as well as our other motorcycles

These vendors are going to be financially disadvantaged due to the fact that they have paid for materials and design work up front and now are seeing a delay of sales because of a natural disaster that in case anyone forgot killed tens of thousands of people and has left many, many families homeless and missing loved ones.


I would suggest that rather than ask for a discount now, those of you waiting for your $14,000 motorcycles order and buy the accessories you want and will need when your motorcycle arrives today from these vendors .

This opportunistic selfishness and greed disappoints me. I expect that some who want a discount today (saving perhaps $30.00) will complain next year about no availability or higher costs of the parts they are demanding a discount on today.
Dude, Don't think too hard about this. This is just an opinion/idea board. There are pros and cons to every idea/opinion posted here. Some venders might see an opportunity while others might see gouging. To each his own. Just relax. No one is trying to take advantage of anyone here. Mutual benefit, maybe, but not the backstabbing greed that you speak of.
 

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Ok guys, I've moved this to the new "Debate Room." Let it rip all you want.
 

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Well, I've never been called cheap before, probably due to my generosity and altruism, but I can say unequivocally that I am frugal.



1. Economical in the use or appropriation of resources; not
wasteful or lavish; wise in the expenditure or application
of force, materials, time, etc.; characterized by
frugality; sparing; economical; saving; as, a frugal
housekeeper; frugal of time.


I'm okay with it. R
 

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One of my favorite lines - just seems so appropriate.

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Re: Considering the delay - why not support the vendors ?

SisuTen said:
+1

This "Oh So Desperate (Waah Waah!)" situation has really caused the turds to rise in this punchbowl.

There's already a fair number of people around here that I would not ride to the corner with.

Paul
Turd rising to the top of the punchbowl? Now there's a thought I need to get out of my brain!

As far as multiple rider rides go, I read one post over on the Motorcycle Tourer's Forum once, "If you go on a ride for more than a week with several others and you haven't figured out who the A-hole is after a few days, it's probably you." I usually go on big trips solo, so it's much easier to ID the A-hole :D
 
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Dude, :D :D

"backstabbing greed " Please don't put words in my mouth I wrote, " This opportunistic selfishness and greed disappoints me".

There was no reference to backstabbing.

I actually wasn't thinking too hard about either post, it was easy to write, because what I wrote matched my values. I disagreed with the idea, and put forward an opposing, and critical view, of the original post, because I thought what was suggested was wrong and I still do. I thought that writing a post with my reasons for disagreement was acceptable.

A far simpler post, in hindsight would have been better, something along the lines of , " I think that taking advantage of the disaster in Japan, and trying to cheapen the value of good old American ingenuity and financially disadvantaging those small businesses by wanting a discount when they have lost their market is a lousy thing to suggest."

All of you have the right to disagree with my post and try and get specialty vendors to reduce prices.

Many of us value good custom workmanship and want to support those who invent the specialized parts that we use. These small manufacturers are not getting rich making these parts.

Many who I ride with don't share any of the custom stuff they get made, outside of a small circle of riding friends, because it is not worth the trouble to explain why it costs so much to do it right (and safe),. When it has been tried in the past someone on some forum will always explain how they could accomplish the exactly same thing (only better and cheaper) with a used condom, a broken Motorola cell phone antenna, and some crazy glue. :))

BTW, I am having some specialized parts designed for and made for my S10 because they will add to my riding enjoyment and comfort. I would never bother trying to sell /share them and have to deal with the potential liability, the copying of my ideas, and the endless discussion on their merits by keyboard riders. This thread just confirms my decision.

So as I said before, let's just agree to disagree.

ptfjjj said:
Dude, Don't think too hard about this. This is just an opinion/idea board. There are pros and cons to every idea/opinion posted here. Some venders might see an opportunity while others might see gouging. To each his own. Just relax. No one is trying to take advantage of anyone here. Mutual benefit, maybe, but not the backstabbing greed that you speak of.
 

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Re: Considering the delay - why not support the vendors ?

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As far as multiple rider rides go, I read one post over on the Motorcycle Tourer's Forum once, "If you go on a ride for more than a week with several others and you haven't figured out who the A-hole is after a few days, it's probably you." I usually go on big trips solo, so it's much easier to ID the A-hole :D
That's good - never heard that before. On longer rides, I usually ride alone or with perhaps one other rider. Shorter (half-day or so) rides I sometimes find myself in a group of 3-4, maybe as many as 6 - but obviously not long enough to figure out who is who!! :D

Okay - back to the Debate!!!
 

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Re: Considering the delay - why not support the vendors ?

Bill310 said:
So as I said before, let's just agree to disagree.
I don't think that we're really in disagreement. I would expect that there are venders that have inventory taking up space due to the delay on this bike, so it may be mutually beneficial to offer some of it at a lower price simply to move inventory that, otherwise, would not move until late this year or next year. Most businesses survive on cash flow, so some cash flow is better than none.
 
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