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Didn't see it. <giggle> Define record. NY to SF? I know people that have beaten that number. And Guinness doesn't document time/speed/distance records any more.
 
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Quick search found this article on CNN. Maybe 37 hours is for motorcycle?
That's impressive and I still say the Tenere is better as a touring mount than an "adventure" bike, whatever that means.
 

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You might want to take that down. Congrats to him, but he's a noob in my world. Lots of mistakes, lots of poor choices, lots of things to learn about doing long distance safely. (and that's just from watching the video.) Big no-no to brag about speeding during any ride in a venue that's going to be public broadcast/web/news. Not really putting himself in a good light with the general public. Uninformed general public will see his event as an illegal race on public roads and want "something done" to prevent more people from doing this kind of thing.

And again, what record? It's only a record among the small group of people claiming to have done it. 10 people? LOL That's pretty ignorant of reality. When someone actually keeps an official record of his event, available for anyone to research, and has a history of certifying records of this nature, then it's a record. Otherwise it's just some guy in a video saying he did something after rolling into a parking lot in LA. Documenting that he actually did it is something else.
 

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He may have been speeding some, but "he who has not shall throw the first stone".
If the time is true, it's still pretty impressive, albeit crazy.
I have done Iron Butts, but you could say that doing the IBR or a BB Gold Back to back is equally insane and irresponsible.
 

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He may have been speeding some, but "he who has not shall throw the first stone".
If the time is true, it's still pretty impressive, albeit crazy.
I have done Iron Butts, but you could say that doing the IBR or a BB Gold Back to back is equally insane and irresponsible.
Actually, you have a mistaken concept of the IBR and I would say, LD riding altogether. I have ridden and finished the IBR, (2013), my wife did it in 2011 and I have several other certs like a 5 in 5 and 10/10ths as well as a few BBGs. I didn't speed during the IBR. Neither did my wife. BBGs are only an average speed of 62 mph. It's not about going fast, it's about managing your stopped time. The last several IBRs have used satellite tracking of riders and have penalized speeders. They have guidelines and a random pass isn't going to get a rider in trouble, but sustained speeding will get you tossed. Riders have been penalized in points and other methods for excessive speeding.

I don't have a particular issue with him speeding. I have an issue with him being dumb enough to admit to excessive speeding on camera, and that going up on the web. I don't know for sure, but suspect he may have applied for an IBA certificate. The IBA does not certify time, only distance. All certs just say you completed the ride of xxxx miles in less than the maximum allowable time period. He may be declined, or later have his cert revoked, for that little episode of camera time and excessive speeding. It's all about safe long distance riding.

The Google Maps time for that route is about 41 hours. He had to average approximately 75 mph to do his ride in ~37 hours. That's no small achievement, even on interstate. But keep in mind you can carry as much fuel as you want on a cert ride. I know of people that had in excess of 21 gallons of fuel on board for cert attempts. What he did is do-able w/o the excessive speed, given a little good luck and proper methods of hydration, preparation and time management.
 

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OK, guys...
1) WOW, Epic. Couldn't find my nuts for a week after a 12.5 hr. Saddle Sore 1000. Can't imagine 37 hours.
2) Yay Yamaha.
3) In all fairness, he never said he was a pro ("...pretty amateurish"). However, look at the bike. Looks pretty well thought out.
4) Do we know if he or someone else actually posted this video? Might not be his fault...dunno.
5) Police can't prove squat after the fact for a speeding violation (infraction) without "proper documentation" (ie; his go pro of the incident). The likelyhood of any municipality getting a warrant to view his go pro or phone records (cell tower speeds) is about nill without swarn officer witnessing the incident ( I know, I wrote those warrants). Notice he didn't whine about being cited, just stated it as a fact (owned it).
6) Anyone think the general public gives two shits about some obscure "race" that by EricV's definition doesn't even exist? Man, is our self importance as riders inflated or what!? If someone does actually care, and he gets hammered, well, he'll probably own that too.
7) And anybody who can do nothing but bitch about this guy's personal little victory as not being safe or official enough, probably has forgotten how many times they absolutely shattered various speed limits in several states for no better reason. Yes bnschroder, I agree, casting stones!

And Lastly (for now, because I think Mr 5K posts will likely implode) if any of you are telling me you have never ridden anywhere, anytime like this, then congrats to you. Just go ahead and continue posting litterally thousands of comments to another "small group of people...LOL" and telling safety stories at your local MSF meetings. The rest of you...I'm planning some rides this summer. Give me a shout. Always room for folks who ride like they mean it.

BTW, one of the best parts of this story is the fact that I saw it on the BMW Riders Group page.
 

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..... Big no-no to brag about speeding during any ride in a venue that's going to be public broadcast/web/news. Not really putting himself in a good light with the general public. .........
Alex Roy wrote a book and has published several videos and made a full length documentary movie on his Cannonball records (3 or 4 now) They have never charged him. Hes done I think 15 record pacing runs in everything from a morgan 3 wheeler to the full spec BMW M5 (average speed I think was 91 MPH on that trip 31 hour run with 2 airplanes up looking for police)
 

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I was only referring to the IBA rules, not the potential law enforcement issues. Get too much public awareness and things like this will get shut down. Which sucks for everyone.
OK, guys...
1) WOW, Epic. Couldn't find my nuts for a week after a 12.5 hr. Saddle Sore 1000. Can't imagine 37 hours.
2) Yay Yamaha.
3) In all fairness, he never said he was a pro ("...pretty amateurish"). However, look at the bike. Looks pretty well thought out.
4) Do we know if he or someone else actually posted this video? Might not be his fault...dunno.
5) Police can't prove squat after the fact for a speeding violation (infraction) without "proper documentation" (ie; his go pro of the incident). The likelyhood of any municipality getting a warrant to view his go pro or phone records (cell tower speeds) is about nill without swarn officer witnessing the incident ( I know, I wrote those warrants). Notice he didn't whine about being cited, just stated it as a fact (owned it).
6) Anyone think the general public gives two shits about some obscure "race" that by EricV's definition doesn't even exist? Man, is our self importance as riders inflated or what!? If someone does actually care, and he gets hammered, well, he'll probably own that too.
7) And anybody who can do nothing but bitch about this guy's personal little victory as not being safe or official enough, probably has forgotten how many times they absolutely shattered various speed limits in several states for no better reason. Yes bnschroder, I agree, casting stones!

And Lastly (for now, because I think Mr 5K posts will likely implode) if any of you are telling me you have never ridden anywhere, anytime like this, then congrats to you. Just go ahead and continue posting litterally thousands of comments to another "small group of people...LOL" and telling safety stories at your local MSF meetings. The rest of you...I'm planning some rides this summer. Give me a shout. Always room for folks who ride like they mean it.

BTW, one of the best parts of this story is the fact that I saw it on the BMW Riders Group page.
A. I've just been here a long time. I'm nobody special.

B. Read my posts, I don't really care that he was speeding, only that he let that admission go on the web.

C. I never mentioned the police in terms of potential issues, and don't care. He got pulled over, he has that to deal with, end of story.

D. Pretty well thought out? No, it's not. He's a posuer. Hydration system of water bottles? That's someone that doesn't get it and never bothered to spend the time to learn about how to do it right. It's not expensive. I carry a gallon of water on the bike that I can drink from any time. Cost me about $40 total. Aux fuel that wasn't working correctly, that cost some time. Maybe that's why he was going 119 mph? It's really hard to make up time, but really easy to manage stopped time. He didn't do his homework.

Quite simply, I've BTDT and know when someone doesn't have a clue. He did the deed, (I'm not even going to care if he's just lying about it), but he worked harder to do it and was less safe than if he'd have just done some homework before.

Little side story. The guy that won the Hoka Hey twice came to an IBA event. Smart guy, lots of skills. Had a big list of stuff he was going to share with us about what he did and why. He spent some time actually talking to people the day before his presentation. When he got up on stage, he started out telling us that he has this big list of epiphanies to share, only to discover in talking to various IBA members, that we already knew all that, an sometimes had better ways already figured out. And that a lot of what he worked so hard to do, meant nothing in real world terms. So instead, he told us what the Hoka Hey was really like for him and gave us some insights into that world. It was well done and not his planned talk, but gave us an inside look into a different type of riding event than what the IBA does. Kudos to him.

As for the MSF.... Just read the card dude. Your opinion and experience is not wanted there. ;)
 

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I do know the IBA rules and I like them. And when I was doing my SS1000 and my BB1500 back from Colorado I was going less than the speed limit since the f...ing headwind was killing my gas mileage (and still made it easily within time).
However, I am not sure what's more dangerous, speeding driving or someone who get's by on 2 hours of sleep per day over their handlebars.
Regardless, I have admiration and bewilderment for both, and I can't wait for the IBR2019 to start and following the official and unoffical blogs.
 

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Impressive to me. All riders, even those in the IBR have to speed some. I can't see guys riding along at 58mph for days on end, but maybe I'm wrong for some. I know Greg Rice, probably the most prolific long distance rider of all time, or one of them, and he normally "averages" close to if not over 75mph for several days successitive. Can't do that by driving 58mph.
 

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Yes, Greg speeds. I know Greg. Not my preference, but he has limited vacation time and chooses to ride his way. His choice, not mine.

IBR riders do not have to speed. Some do. But no longer to excess, or face penalties or being tossed from the event.

The IBR has faced the challenge of forcing riders to behave. No longer is it a matter of who can ride faster than the other, but who can ride smarter than the other, whom will win.
 

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I realize I am on the far end of the ride friendly spectrum. I ride to my comfort level, and will accept the cite when it comes. Lord knows I have and will deserve it. I think the 37hr thing is pretty cool. Proves a regular guy can get it done with good planning and obviously well (enough) prepared bike.

But it never fails...One guy has to bash the achievments of another when it comes to our hobby. "Noob, braggart, posour, ignorant, unsafe, makes poor choices..." A presumptuous opinion that reeks superior.

I believe in the MSF, it is important, neccessary and clearly helps save lives. The IBA, not so much. Simply a regulatory entity for a sport/hobby that sells "look what I did" certificates. Fun? Yup. Needed for the average rider to enjoy the sport...? Not at all. Nothing to hang such a heavy hat on.

But again, 37 hours...damn!
 
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37 hours across the USA is pretty impressive for sure.

When you get your Iron Butt on a plated dirt bike then come talk to me!! LOL

Talk about brutal!! I have no desire whatsoever to do it again. 500-700 miles a day is more than enough.
 

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I remain unimpressed by his 'feat' because I know what it takes to do it. It's simply not that hard. It's just about being willing to maintain the average speeds necessary to cover the ground and dealing with the things that slow you down. Managing the body is far more critical than managing the bike. I've seen riders stay on the bike for longer more times than I can count. All this guy did is accept that he was going to get some tickets and keep going.

I'm not some guy bashing what he did that's never actually done endurance riding. I'm a guy that has far more endurance riding than he likely does, and knows how to do it safely. Just going fast across the country for the bragging rights is fine if that's what you want to do. But don't toss it out in the internet, or worse, do interviews that get picked up by the info-tainment industry. That's the kind of stupidity that hurts all motorcyclists and our sport/hobby. No better than the sport riders blocking freeways to do stunting or the loud pipes crowd.

@chris - Yes, the dustybutt is a very tough ride! Now get up and do it again, and again, and again for 10-11 days. While going to obscure places and performing tasks that take you all over the country and require reading comprehension and constant documentation.

@scott123007 - Practice more, you'll get the hang of it. ;)

@Tiger - Cool down, no one said the MSF isn't a good thing. If you've been an instructor, you'd understand my comment better. A little tongue in cheek humor. Nobody sees my certs, they just sit in a binder. It's about choosing to challenge yourself. The endurance rallies are more fun. I'm not the one posting crap on the internet saying "look at what I did", literally.
 

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This thread is running on the ragged edge of getting nuked. You can argue any point you want but do not attack other members.
 
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