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Mellow said:
Yes!.. absolutely!... I don't care to ride the bike to/from work or any short trips to stores and such, it will sit for a month then I'll take a 2k mile road trip.. I get in the 42-44 mpg range typically.

My bike is my weapon of choice for city driving. Even more so than my FJR. Plenty of go/stop/turn and hop that curb. With the Tenere, you always have an exit plan for unexpected situations.
 

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26+Kmi and first rear pads nearing the end. Should supports or shims be replaced with the pads? (my service manual currently unavailable.)
 

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holligl said:
26+Kmi and first rear pads nearing the end. Should supports or shims be replaced with the pads? (my service manual currently unavailable.)

No shims up front. The rear shims should be re-usable.
 

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As a follow up to my earlier post, I did try the EBC HH sintered pads. They were on the bike for about six months and 8700 miles. The attached photos show what my rotors looked like after that amount of miles and time.

Now, I don't know what the amount of wear was on the rotor at the time I swapped OEM for EBC pads (the bike had about 32,000 miles on it at the time of the swap, on the original rotors), but when I checked the rotor after 8700 miles, it was in the .15 range. There was a very pronounced lip on the rotor, which is visible in the picture. The lip was not noticeable at the time the pads were swapped.

I switched back to OEM pads for my recent change.
 

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I just replaced the rear pads at 9,881 miles.

I think I had plenty left but I have an upcoming trip and wanted to make sure I had new ones in. Front looks like they will hold for a while still.

How much pad life is left on this picture of stock (old) vs the EBC (new) pads?
 

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OE and EBC are different compositions. May start with different thickness. EBC pads are a more aggressive pad, and WILL reduce rotor life.
 

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Sierra1 said:
OE and EBC are different compositions. May start with different thickness. EBC pads are a more aggressive pad, and WILL reduce rotor life.
::026::definitely will tear up your rotor. Stick with oem or organic for rear.
 

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That I did not know. :S

I just looked up the part and it seems that a new rotor is around $110. Worst case scenario, I'll have to buy a new one and then go back to organic pads.

So, we've established that it isn't good for the rotor, but does it mean that the bike will brake "better" at least? I don't see any problems with OEM braking, just looking to see if there's some sort of advantage at least.
 

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Rockhopper said:
So, we've established that it isn't good for the rotor, but does it mean that the bike will brake "better" at least? I don't see any problems with OEM braking, just looking to see if there's some sort of advantage at least.
That is a question, where there is many opinion, a lot like about oil :D :D
Personaly I think that if ANY kind of brake pad, can get the ABS working, then it will never get to brake better.
But the amount of force, needed on the lever, can be different, and for sure, also the feeling.
I never use sintered brake pads, if other kind is available.
 

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Yes, do that. It might work very well for you.
And now you have to get to bed :D, it is late at night, and tomorrow is your day off ;D
I already started my day off. And the weather is nice, cold clear day, no wind and -2 Celsius (28F)
 

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As a former disc brake development engineer and program manager for a tier 1 supplier to the auto industry for 20 years I would ONLY ever fit OE brake friction couples. (Pads and discs). There is a huge amount if engineering that goes into braking performance by Yamaha requiring massive field trials, test rigs, dynomometers, environmental testing not to mention the full QA of suppliers, materials, fit, form & function and finally warranty feed back loop for further product improvement. All this to balance performance with durability in many different terrains and applications.
 

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As a former disc brake development engineer and program manager for a tier 1 supplier to the auto industry for 20 years I would ONLY ever fit OE brake friction couples. (Pads and discs). There is a huge amount if engineering that goes into braking performance by Yamaha requiring massive field trials, test rigs, dynomometers, environmental testing not to mention the full QA of suppliers, materials, fit, form & function and finally warranty feed back loop for further product improvement. All this to balance performance with durability in many different terrains and applications.
::026::
 

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hobdayd said:
As a former disc brake development engineer and program manager for a tier 1 supplier to the auto industry for 20 years I would ONLY ever fit OE brake friction couples. (Pads and discs). There is a huge amount if engineering that goes into braking performance by Yamaha requiring massive field trials, test rigs, dynomometers, environmental testing not to mention the full QA of suppliers, materials, fit, form & function and finally warranty feed back loop for further product improvement. All this to balance performance with durability in many different terrains and applications.
The protocol for OEM tires is exactly the same as brakes, and more often than not, tires are changed to meet the specifics of what the riders think they need, in most cases at the suffering of traction, or mileage. If you ride aggressively, there are no better brakes than sintered HH pads to haul your speed down with the least lever effort. Yes, they potentially wear out the disks faster, but so what. They perform better for the job at hand, plain and simple. I've got 76,000 on my disks with EBC HH pads and ride as hard as anyone. If the time comes that they need changing, I'll change them out for $400.00 a set, big wooping deal.
 

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My opinion is that the OEM pads and disc on the Tenere came out of the factory as junk. I don't take short trips around town, most all my my riding is distance riding and I wore the pads out and wore the disc down on the Tenere faster than any bike I've ever owned. The pads on my GS lasted twice as long as the Tenere doing the same style of riding.
 

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Do what you want. It's your money, your bike and your life.

Brakes are safety critical...an enormous amount if effort goes into producing a very good system by the OEM. Every part is engineered to work together to achieve perfornance, life and refinement demanded by the market.

I spent a lot of my career engineering those components. I know what effort is required to achieve the end result for an OEM like Yamaha.

As an expert in the subject I give you my unbiased comments. Take it or leave it.

Buy what you want. Fit what you want.

I have expert insight and I know what I will fit to my bikes and cars!
 

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hobdayd said:
Do what you want. It's your money, your bike and your life.

Brakes are safety critical...an enormous amount if effort goes into producing a very good system by the OEM. Every part is engineered to work together to achieve perfornance, life and refinement demanded by the market.

I spent a lot of my career engineering those components. I know what effort is required to achieve the end result for an OEM like Yamaha.

As an expert in the subject I give you my unbiased comments. Take it or leave it.

Buy what you want. Fit what you want.

I have expert insight and I know what I will fit to my bikes and cars!
As a motorcycle mechanic for 45 years I can tell you that the engineers don't always get it right the first time. Cam chain tensioners along with a lot of starter clutch bearing failures on all brands, spokes breaking for no good reason, thousands of starter button failures on Honda Shadows, Harley cam bearings...........etc, etc, etc I could go on for hours. Engineers getting it wrong the first time is why we have recalls.
 

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hobdayd said:
Brakes are safety critical...an enormous amount if effort goes into producing a very good system by the OEM. Every part is engineered to work together to achieve perfornance, life and refinement demanded by the market.

As an expert in the subject I give you my unbiased comments. Take it or leave it.

Buy what you want. Fit what you want.

I have expert insight and I know what I will fit to my bikes and cars!

::026:: I'm not an engineering expert, but I'm a riding expert. I know what works, and what doesn't. The Honda(s) & Beemer(s) that I rode with OE brakes systems worked wonderful. They had totally different systems and materials; with the same results. I don't ride my Tenere in the same manner/conditions....but I could....with OE brakes. ::001::
 
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