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Iroh

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I really don't think you will experience any problem with Lithium.
I have been driving with this all season, no problem. Also no problem here in cold weather.
So in your place...Maybe louis send to Dubai :D
Thanks for the link. No they dont deliver to Dubai
 

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Yes, like scott in Florida, there's heat. . . . then there's heat + stupid high humidity.
We get 110F and 70% humidity for 6 months of the year. We ride at night for short trips when it gets 90 to 100 F
 

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260 dollars and arrives end of December. :(
Holly shit!! Twice the price, and weeks later. If you don't have a Battery Tender, or similar low amp battery maintainer, get one. I've killed my battery twice, but the 'Tender keeps her up, and runnin'.


We get 110F and 70% humidity for 6 months of the year. We ride at night for short trips when it gets 90 to 100 F
I always think of there being all desert. I forget that y'all are right on the gulf.
 

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I FOUND THE BATTERY!! Paid a bit more but I got the Yuasa YTZ14s.
The new battery is 12.67 volts. do I need to connect it to a trickle charger or can I directly swap it out right now. Sorry if the question is stupid. i just want to be on the safe side.
 

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I FOUND THE BATTERY!! Paid a bit more but I got the Yuasa YTZ14s.
The new battery is 12.67 volts. do I need to connect it to a trickle charger or can I directly swap it out right now. Sorry if the question is stupid. i just want to be on the safe side.
Good for you! They are pre-charged when I buy them over here. I think you should just pop it in. And uhhh.. better safe than sorry. Good you asked.

Stefan
 

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If the battery was delivered with the acid already installed it should have already been fully charged.
You can buy them both ways, I prefer to buy them with the acid already installed.
If you have a battery tender-maintainer type device yes i Would hook it up just to see what it tells you.
 

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Good time to install a Optimate charge lead to the battery when you fit it. Then just plug it in all the time it’s in the garage


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If I am correct, a lithium battery shouldnt be charged in temperatures less than 120F or risk a fire. Considering that we get those temperatures here and I do take short rides at that temperature, is it safe ? If I ride for 30 mins at 45c or 114 ~ 120F, is it going to be super risky?
The lowest temperature that we ride at is 40F. I think it shouldnt matter much for cold starts right and the bike charging the battery at that temperature?
I didn’t see anything about charging over (I think you meant less than) 120F in the literature that came with my scorpion lithium. Having said that I did a tour in August through Nevada, Utah & Colorado. We had riding temps in one hundred teens most days. Pretty sure the temps down where the battery lives exceeded 120F pretty regularly. Nothing caught fire and the battery still works as new. As a final comment know that most lithium motorcycle batteries are lithium iron phosphate chemistry. This chemistry is different and inherently resistant to thermal run away and catching fire compared to other lithium chemistries used in consumer electronics that have made the news on occasion.




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I FOUND THE BATTERY!! Paid a bit more but I got the Yuasa YTZ14s.
The new battery is 12.67 volts. do I need to connect it to a trickle charger or can I directly swap it out right now. Sorry if the question is stupid. i just want to be on the safe side.
It should be fine. If the bike starts, go riding, should be fully charged by the time you get back.
 

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All I know is that you have made me want some good shawarma again!

Riding season has to be now in Dubai, hopefully your battery gets you up and running.
 

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Amazon $131.71, and free shipping. Yuasa YTZ14S. In stock. Does Amazon ship to Dubai? 'Cuz if they do, I don't know what you're waiting for.
I just checked this to but as i thought no shipping to NZ , as its a dodgy item to send several thousand miles 'in the post'
 

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I never investigated, but I always thought Amazon was world wide. Yeah, y'all got screwed. . . . Amazon ships to OZ, and just about everywhere else, but not NZ.
 

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All I know is that you have made me want some good shawarma again!

Riding season has to be now in Dubai, hopefully your battery gets you up and running.
Haha yes Shawarmas are amazing. But I havent tried one ever. I am a Vegetarian since forever.
 

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I never investigated, but I always thought Amazon was world wide. Yeah, y'all got screwed. . . . Amazon ships to OZ, and just about everywhere else, but not NZ.
It is world wide. I regularly order stuff from Amazon US to be sent to Dubai but shipping batteries is a bit complicated. Not many sellers on Amazon want to do it.
 

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I made a few 100 calls and found a supplier for Lithium batteries. still looking for a reliable AGM battery.
If I am correct, a lithium battery shouldnt be charged in temperatures less than 120F or risk a fire. Considering that we get those temperatures here and I do take short rides at that temperature, is it safe ? If I ride for 30 mins at 45c or 114 ~ 120F, is it going to be super risky?
The lowest temperature that we ride at is 40F. I think it shouldnt matter much for cold starts right and the bike charging the battery at that temperature?
I worked the Emirates 777 accident in Dubai a few years ago and some people were having trouble with rubber shoe soles melting with the fuel and heat. The airplane was carrying tons of fish in the cargo hold and with the heat the oils caught fire on about our second or third day on-site!

The Yuasa YTZ14S is plug and play, as it comes partially or fully charged. You can't add acid because it is a sealed AGM battery.

The problem with charging at high temps is that the plastic film between the anode and cathode windings softens with temperature (the temps are proprietary by company). The electro-chemical process also starts to break down, aging the cells.

While charging Li-ion at desert temps should be fine with undamaged and somewhat young batteries. Just be aware that the risk for any Li-Ion will go up over time (after the new period having infant mortality losses) and with usage jostling the anode-separator-cathode layers, and go up faster with higher temps.
 

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I have a doubt. First I say what I know:
1) traditional batteries are heavy
2) lithium batteries are light and have more CCA
3) traditional batteries "inform" clearly what reserve capacity they have. For example the Yuasa YTZ 14 has 11.8 ah for 20 hours, that is 0.59 amp per hour for 20 hours.
4) The lithium batteries ?? .... or they do not report what reserve capacity they have ... or they report in a confusing way, for example 5 amp, but they do not clarify for how long ...
5) That is my doubt.
I know that in case the alternator works well, the reserve of the battery does not matter because the battery is only used for starting. But if the alternator fails in the middle of nowhere ?? .... if we eliminate the lights, the traditional battery will give us energy for the spark and the fuel pump enough to circulate one more time to get somewhere? .... Does this make the traditional battery more reliable, although heavier? .... or does the lithium battery have the same reserve capacity as the traditional one?

For example in the Scorpion batteries, in the traditional one they inform the reserve capacity. In the lithium one: "sorry, it is confidential information"
 

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I'm a simple mind man. OE is for me. I know it will work, and the weight is inconsequential.
 

Iroh

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I have a doubt. First I say what I know:
1) traditional batteries are heavy
2) lithium batteries are light and have more CCA
3) traditional batteries "inform" clearly what reserve capacity they have. For example the Yuasa YTZ 14 has 11.8 ah for 20 hours, that is 0.59 amp per hour for 20 hours.
4) The lithium batteries ?? .... or they do not report what reserve capacity they have ... or they report in a confusing way, for example 5 amp, but they do not clarify for how long ...
5) That is my doubt.
I know that in case the alternator works well, the reserve of the battery does not matter because the battery is only used for starting. But if the alternator fails in the middle of nowhere ?? .... if we eliminate the lights, the traditional battery will give us energy for the spark and the fuel pump enough to circulate one more time to get somewhere? .... Does this make the traditional battery more reliable, although heavier? .... or does the lithium battery have the same reserve capacity as the traditional one?

For example in the Scorpion batteries, in the traditional one they inform the reserve capacity. In the lithium one: "sorry, it is confidential information"
There is a battery video on youtube by Fortnine. Maybe that will answer some of the questions you have.
 
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