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budgie

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i have read that alot of people have had this problem. it is the 4th time it has gone back to the dealers has anybody cured it? i have done the usual by not touching the throttle and keeping the button in till it starts.
 

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Not sure it is "curable"
But can be "avoidable", for the most part.

Unless what's causing yours is different than what causes most.

At the risk of igniting a firestorm, what I mean by "avoid" is:

1. Never start this bike and then turn it off before it reaches...say...130-140F

2. Never cycle the key on or off unless you DO start it and get her good and warm first.

3. Don't let go of that start button before she starts. (when cold, especially)

4. Keep your battery healthy.
 

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5. Never touch the throttle when cold.

I've owned two S10s with over 51,000 total miles with one hard start....I think I was guilty of #3. above.
 

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Yikes, another hard start thread. The key thing to always do if the bike doesn't start normally from cold is to go to WOT (wide-open throttle) and hold it there anytime you're cranking. If you just keep cranking with throttle closed, you'll crank until the battery dies or you burn up the starter motor, whichever occurs first, and drive the bike into such a deep flooded condition that you'll likely have to pull plugs to ever get it going again. There is nothing wrong with taking some breaks during a long-cranking session, but when you're cranking, the throttle MUST be hard against the stop. Nothing wrong with letting the bike sit overnight on the charger to to resume cranking WOT next day.

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I've done #2 lots of times when testing adding on accessories and testing the electrical connections. As long as you turn off the kill switch so the fuel pump doesn't prime, it should be fine.
 

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I think it was the second day I had the bike and had problems starting it. Talk about buyers remorse! However I took battery out and ensured it was fully charged. It took turned over several times and started. Haven't had trouble since but it has only been 2 weeks. Does this occur when the bike is beyond the break in period? It was cold so I know that is part of the equation, I thought possibly another factor is a 'tight' engine that isn't broke in?

A side note: Does anyone ride in the snow? I mean off road in the snow? It sounds crazy but I am wanting to do it. Need some metal studs for the tires.
 

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cjct21 said:
A side note: Does anyone ride in the snow? I mean off road in the snow? It sounds crazy but I am wanting to do it. Need some metal studs for the tires.
Many times on snow/ice with a dirt bike with studs in the tires but I wouldn't do so on the tenere due to the weight. What part of KY?
 

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whisperquiet said:
5. Never touch the throttle when cold.

I've owned two S10s with over 51,000 total miles with one hard start....I think I was guilty of #3. above.
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markjenn said:
Yikes, another hard start thread. - Mark
This is not another Hard Start thread.
It's a Bad Start thread.

Completely different critter. Notice how gentlemanly everyone is behaving. :)
 

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im doing every think wright. Ive rode bikes for 42 year and love this bike been to Austria and the top of Scotland on it a good ride out. im hoping for a good result from my dealer. thanks for replys. budgie u.k.
 

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budgie said:
im doing every think wright. Ive rode bikes for 42 year and love this bike been to Austria and the top of Scotland on it a good ride out. im hoping for a good result from my dealer. thanks for replys. budgie u.k.
Good luck with the search for the cure. Happened to me again on the weekend and I don't recall breaking any of the "rules". Took ages to start on WOT but it did start. If it wasn't such a good bike otherwise it would be a deal breaker. Lucky it hasn't happened in front of my BMW or HD friends. :)
 

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bad start

I now this must grind down anyone who has no problem with the bad start but I would like to know those people with the problem have you got the standard end can on or a after market exhaust. just trying to find the problem as I think this bike is great and i want to keep it. budgie uk
 

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Budgie - I share your frustration with the starting issue.

Here's the context:
I left my 12 Tenere outside all last night and it was 33F degrees at 7:am this morning. I have already changed the oil to 20W50, my summer oil. I also have a weak battery and have a new battery on the way. The bike was hot when I parked it Friday after work.

I had a good idea the bike would NOT fire up, IF I tried to start it just the way it was sitting. About two weeks ago under similar conditions the bike didn't start and it took me two days to figure out the correct cranking/throttle/fuse/procedure in order to get it started.

So this morning I cranked the bike and it misfired, flooded. You could smell fuel ten feet away from the bike - it was flooded. I kinda wanted it to flood so I could see if I could start it quickly using a combination of what I learned a couple weeks ago. Yes - It started and here's what it took.

After I knew it flooded I quit cranking it over. I pushed it into the shop and pulled the cover off so I could get at the 10A EFI fuse. I pulled the fuse and locked the throttle in the fully open position. Turned the key and started cranking/pushing the fuel out of the bike. The bike sounded like it cranked about four times and popped a small backfire and then it sounded like it was going to start, sounded as it would if it was beginning to run, it was firing and I let it go like that for a few seconds while cranking the starter. I then shut down the throttle to the closed position and turned off the key. I pushed the fuse back into the holder and then went over to try to start the bike normally. The bike fired on about the third revolution and I was "on the ready" with the throttle to push it fully open again if needed. The bike fired and revved as I was opening the throttle, so I closed the throttle knowing the bike was running. The bike was not running it's normal smooth self for a few moments. I let the bike warm up until the fan came on at 224 then when it cooled to 212 I shut the bike off and plugged in the battery tender.

I'm headed out in a few minutes to pick up some of that Tasty looking packaged camping food some one mentioned on this board and I'll be picking up some of that Yamaha Ring fire whatever gas additive I read about in Tomatocity's thread. I'll be on the Tenere because now that it's warmed up I'll have no further trouble starting it for the rest of today.

I think the battery is just too weak to crank the bike with that heavy oil in the coldish temps. I'll let ya'll know after the new battery arrives next week. I'll leave the bike out over night and see if she starts. - OK? OK! Out of here.

Badgie don't get discouraged - ::008::
Mike
 

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Re: bad start

budgie said:
I now this must grind down anyone who has no problem with the bad start but I would like to know those people with the problem have you got the standard end can on or a after market exhaust. just trying to find the problem as I think this bike is great and i want to keep it. budgie uk
There has been no correlation noted to date with changes in exhaust, ECU tuning, etc. Hard starts have been noted on bone-stock bikes (e.g., mine) and modified bikes. As I recall we've only had one report of a 2014 or 2015 with the problem, and as I recall, there were extenuating circumstances in this one report. So jury may still be out on whether the problem propagated to the Gen 2.

- Mark
 
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